Maybe this can be the new thread about Salvation. I guess the question being "if you can lose your Salvation". I very much enjoyed reading your five page comments on this Jesse. Which I do agree with also. As others brothers say Michael and Adam noting mainly I'd say about our free will. Which is true as God gave us the choice to choose our paths. As I also agree with your views.
I've been wanting to put my perception of this as I've seen the discussions. How I want to show my view of this is in the eyes of the Lord. Seeing that God knows everything. He knows the end before the beginning. He knows exactly who is going to be faithful, obedient, giving their lives to the Lord, and endure all the way to the end. There is no confusion or "what if's" in the Lord. So as it seems some may be saved today that may change in their destiny. Also as some are non-believers today may become the strongest Saint tomorrow.
The Lord knows His sheep as He searches hearts and knows us all. 1 Samuel 16:7.
Hopefully my comment may bring peace as weather we think it to be one way or the other. Those with a pure heart and who are truly devoted to the Lord shall endure till the end. 2 Timothy 2:19.
The danger of believing that we cannot lose our salvation is that a person may thus not take seriously the importance of carefully safeguarding our "faith" and not giving in to "willful" sin that can rupture our relationship with God. John 15:10 ; Jude 1:21.
2 Peter 3:16 "As also in all his (Paul's) epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they...wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, UNTO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION."
1 Corinthians 9:26-27 "I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I KEEP UNDER MY BODY, and bring IT INTO SUBJECTION: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a CASTAWAY."
2 Timothy 4:7-8 "I" (Paul) have fought a good fight, "I" (Paul) have finished my course, "I" (Paul) have kept the faith: HENCEFORTH there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
To say that a person who stops believing and obeying God was never really a Christian is superfluous. God promises that if a person repents and believes in Christ, he will have his sins forgiven. Acts 3:19. When gentiles did this, they received the Holy Spirit from God and were baptized in water. They became part of the Church. Acts 10:44-48. However, they must now be careful not to abandon their faith (apostatize) or give in to the sinful flesh with no care or repentance.
Hebrews 12:15-17 Looking diligently lest any man FAIL OF THE GRACE OF GOD; lest any ROOT OF BITTERNESS SPRINGING UP trouble you, and thereby many be DEFILED; Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat SOLD HIS BIRTHRIGHT. For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, HE WAS REJECTED: for he found NO PLACE OF REPENTANCE, though he sought it carefully with tears.
I very much understand in the "danger" in that some may believe it doesn't matter if they sin willful etc. In thinking "I can't lose my salvation". Maybe picking and choosing not reading the Bible as a whole. As I noted two ways the Lord knows who are His: faithful, obedient, giving their lives to the Lord, and endure all the way to the end & a pure heart and who are truly devoted to the Lord shall endure till the end.
I understand Jesse & others view of basically that if you veer and one day reject the Lord, as many have done, you were never really saved in the first place. Also I understand yours, and others, view in basically we have free will and we must fight the good fight all the way to the end. The devil is always at work in this evil world and we must always focus on keeping the full Armor of God on.
Me making that post was to just to put another perspective in that the Lord knows who is going to spend eternity with Him.
I understand and respect both views. As long as a person is truly devoted to the Lord, with a pure heart, and endures to the end. Living for the Will of our Father and doing what pleases Him. They are the Children of God and heirs with Jesus Christ who gave His life to save us all. We must follow the ways of Christ.
I appreciate your reply brother Michael. The post you replied to was just to bring peace between two perspectives. I think both perspectives agree we must stay focused on the Lord and diligently serve Him with a pure heart. To the end.
Maybe this can be the new thread about Salvation. I guess the question being "if you can lose your Salvation". I very much enjoyed reading your five page comments on this Jesse. Which I do agree with also. As others brothers say Michael and Adam noting mainly I'd say about our free will. Which is true as God gave us the choice to choose our paths. As I also agree with your views.
I've been wanting to put my perception of this as I've seen the discussions. How I want to show my view of this is in the eyes of the Lord. Seeing that God knows everything. He knows the end before the beginning. He knows exactly who is going to be faithful, obedient, giving their lives to the Lord, and endure all the way to the end. There is no confusion or "what if's" in the Lord. So as it seems some may be saved today that may change in their destiny. Also as some are non-believers today may become the strongest Saint tomorrow.
The Lord knows His sheep as He searches hearts and knows us all. 1 Samuel 16:7.
Hopefully my comment may bring peace as weather we think it to be one way or the other. Those with a pure heart and who are truly devoted to the Lord shall endure till the end. 2 Timothy 2:19.
God Bless.
The danger of believing that we cannot lose our salvation is that a person may thus not take seriously the importance of carefully safeguarding our "faith" and not giving in to "willful" sin that can rupture our relationship with God. John 15:10 ; Jude 1:21.
2 Peter 3:16 "As also in all his (Paul's) epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they...wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, UNTO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION."
1 Corinthians 9:26-27 "I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: But I KEEP UNDER MY BODY, and bring IT INTO SUBJECTION: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a CASTAWAY."
2 Timothy 4:7-8 "I" (Paul) have fought a good fight, "I" (Paul) have finished my course, "I" (Paul) have kept the faith: HENCEFORTH there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
To say that a person who stops believing and obeying God was never really a Christian is superfluous. God promises that if a person repents and believes in Christ, he will have his sins forgiven. Acts 3:19. When gentiles did this, they received the Holy Spirit from God and were baptized in water. They became part of the Church. Acts 10:44-48. However, they must now be careful not to abandon their faith (apostatize) or give in to the sinful flesh with no care or repentance.
Hebrews 12:15-17 Looking diligently lest any man FAIL OF THE GRACE OF GOD; lest any ROOT OF BITTERNESS SPRINGING UP trouble you, and thereby many be DEFILED; Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat SOLD HIS BIRTHRIGHT. For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, HE WAS REJECTED: for he found NO PLACE OF REPENTANCE, though he sought it carefully with tears.
Good day, Richard.
I very much understand in the "danger" in that some may believe it doesn't matter if they sin willful etc. In thinking "I can't lose my salvation". Maybe picking and choosing not reading the Bible as a whole. As I noted two ways the Lord knows who are His: faithful, obedient, giving their lives to the Lord, and endure all the way to the end & a pure heart and who are truly devoted to the Lord shall endure till the end.
I understand Jesse & others view of basically that if you veer and one day reject the Lord, as many have done, you were never really saved in the first place. Also I understand yours, and others, view in basically we have free will and we must fight the good fight all the way to the end. The devil is always at work in this evil world and we must always focus on keeping the full Armor of God on.
Me making that post was to just to put another perspective in that the Lord knows who is going to spend eternity with Him.
I understand and respect both views. As long as a person is truly devoted to the Lord, with a pure heart, and endures to the end. Living for the Will of our Father and doing what pleases Him. They are the Children of God and heirs with Jesus Christ who gave His life to save us all. We must follow the ways of Christ.
I appreciate your reply brother Michael. The post you replied to was just to bring peace between two perspectives. I think both perspectives agree we must stay focused on the Lord and diligently serve Him with a pure heart. To the end.
God Bless.
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