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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 160723

Bible Discussion Thread

 
  • Paul on Deuteronomy 24:16 - 3 years ago
    Jesus says that not a single letter of the law will be changed until the end of time. Matthew 5:18

    How does this apply to stoning adulterers and homosexuals as outlined in Deuteronomy and Leviticus?
  • Mishael - In Reply on Deuteronomy 24:16 - 3 years ago
    We have to obey those that have rule over us:

    Government, law enforcement etc.

    People changed the laws as time goes by.

    All of us as citizens have a right to challenge law changes; from the city level all the way to the White House. Nobody had time for those public forums, and those who were pushing those laws through, accomplished passing them.

    Read the WOES in the Bible. We are to be vigilant when evil people attempt to do away with Gods plan for mankind.

    Isaiah 3: 9-11; Isaiah 5:11-30

    In Isaiah 6 sees a vision of the Lord and what was happening around His Throne. Is. 6:5. Isaiah understands just how vile we are compared to The Holiness of God. It's inspiring. Answer the question the Godhead asks of us all, in Isaiah 6:8

    We're not powerless children. We are meant to defend what is written in the entire Bible. Let's just do what we can, beginning in our own private homes; our churches; and perhaps our communities: in the Spirit of love and brotherhood.

    The hour is late. Soon, Jesus will come for us in the clouds. Maranatha.

    Learn all you can about this God man, Jesus, whom we will be living with...eternally.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Deuteronomy 24:16 - 3 years ago
    Brother Paul, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth PASS...till ALL BE FULFILLED.

    Before Christ's death and resurrection, Christ DID NOT dwell or live in man; but in (old) heaven and (old) earth, the OLD DWELLING PLACE of GOD, temples made by man's hands.

    After Christ's death and resurrection; the old heaven and old earth PASSED AWAY, and ALL THINGS were made NEW. A New Heaven and A New Earth. Christ now dwells in us.

    Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth (CHRIST IN YOU): for the first heaven and the first earth WERE PASSED AWAY (already completed).

    This fulfils the words he spoke in Matthew 5:18, Mark 13:31, Matthew 24:35, Luke 21:33, etc.

    The law and prophets were fulfilled at Christ's death and resurrection; therefore all the laws and ordinances of the Old Testament are NO LONGER IN EFFECT.

    Heaven and earth HAVE PASSED; the law and prophets NAVE BEEN FULFILLED.
  • Brother Dan - In Reply on Deuteronomy 24:16 - 3 years ago
    "THE LAW" as referred to by Jesus is the 10 Commandments..it doesn't say anything about stoning anyone in this LAW.

    Jesus did not let the adulteress get stoned in the scripture below:

    John 8:2-10 Context

    2And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. 3And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

    In scripture, Jesus and his apostles refer many times to keeping the 10 commandments. Here are two verses spoken by Jesus

    John 14:15

    "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

    John 15:10

    "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."

    As Christians .if we keep God's commandments, we WILL NOT kill or stone anyone. The 6th Commandment: THOU SHALT NOT KILL.

    Matthew 5:18. Is saying that God's 10 commandments are in force until the end of this earth.

    God Bless
  • Adam - In Reply on Deuteronomy 24:16 - 3 years ago
    Hi Paul,

    Notice that what you said in your sentence is not what Matthew 5:18 says. The verse says 'til all be fulfilled' not 'end of time' as you said.

    The Bible says Jesus came to earth to fulfil the law. Hover or click on this for proof: Matthew 5:17. Note that Jesus came after the Israelites and after the Old Testament was written.

    Jesus's mission was to die for the sins of the world. John 3:16

    Notice that after Jesus completed his mission he said 'it is finished': John 19:30.

    So, Jesus fulfilled the law. People had lots of laws then including Israelites who had nearly 1000 laws, not just moral, but civil and ceremonial. They were huge in number and governed themselves like a country.

    However, even though Jesus fulfilled the law, we are still obligated to follow the moral law. John 14:15. Example: do not kill, lie, cheat, worship false gods, commit sexual immorality, blasphemy, etc.

    They did stoning back then. Public stonings are still done today in places in the middle east.

    The Bible does not instruct Christians to stone anyone. One must differentiate what is moral law that applies to 'me' and what was a civil or ceremonial law that only applied to a people group at that time. Israelites were God's chosen people so they were given different attention than others as well.



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