Bible Discussion Thread

S. Spencer,

I see the millennium as a cleansing period ( Ezekiel 39:12) of the sealed, one hundred forty four thousand saints, to remove and replace the current earth and heavens with the new earth and heavens. One has to follow the other for the future to exist.

Anyone past resurrection can't sin and death has no bearing. This applies to both resurrections. After the thousand years, and the devil is let go, but he will have no place among men who received new hearts of the Spirit.

Hi Wesley,

I errored when I said I believe the battle in Ezekiel is not the same in Revelation, I meant to say I believe the battle in Ezekiel is not the same in Revelation 20, ( after the Millennium). I believe the battle in Ezekiel is before the Millennium.

However I believe it's what you're saying also,

In Ezekiel it seems they comes from the North ( INTO ISRAEL ) to take spoil.

Ezekiel 38:15. And thou shalt come from "THY PLACE" out of the NORTH parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:

( Perhaps Russia and company.)

Also notice who's missing in Ezekiel. Israels. surrounding neighbors,

In Revelation they are gathered from the 4 corners of the earth to Armageddon.

Revelation 16:16. And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Revelation 20:8. And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in (THE FOUR QUARTERS OF THE EARTH,) Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: THE NUMBER OF WHOM IS AS THE SAND OF THE SEA.

Joel 3:2. I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

Also notice the intent and the players involved here in

Psalms 83:2-8. For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.

They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.

They have said, Come, and LET US CUT THEM OFF FROM BEING A NATION; THAT THE NAME OF ISRAEL MAY BE NO MORE in remembrance.

For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:

The tabernacles of EDOM, and the ISHMAEL IT'S; of MOAB, and the HAGARENES;

GEBAL, and AMMON, and AMALEK; the PHILISTINES with the inhabitants of TYRE;

ASSUR also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.

God bless.

Wesley.

You said the Millennium is a time of cleansing and you referenced

Ezekiel 39:12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land."

Here in Ezekiel is a clean up after Gog and Magog, It's 7 months, the Millennium will be 1000 years. It won't take neither for the Lord to cleanse the earth,

He created the heavens and Earth and all that was created in 6 days,

I believe the battle mentioned in Ezekiel and the battle in Revelation is two separate events because of location and the players involved.

Even so the Millennium wouldn't be a period of cleansing when the battle would be afterwards when Satan is released.

Joel said ALL NATIONS will be included in this battle.

I believe it will be a time of testing to show prideful man what's in his heart, where you see man is put in an ideal environment and still rebel in those conditions, it shows the heart of man, " INCURABLY WICKED "

note:

The church won't be here on earth during this period, we're already raptured up!!

Next you see the devil cast into the lake of fire, and then comes the judgment,

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: ( AND THEY WERE JUDGED EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO THEIR WORK'S.)

( BELIEVERS WONT BE JUDGED FOR OUR WORK'S, WE HAVE BEEN IMPUTED CHRIST RIGHTEOUSNESS!! ) WE came through the narrow gate.

I believe this is where you will see

Matthew 7:22-23. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

God bless

Hi Wesley.

I believe Gog is being used as a title of what's behind these nations. ( DEMONS.)

Revelation 16:13-14. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

However all of this is debatable.

But what is interesting is the Millennium,

They're in the perfect economy and being ruled with a rod of Iron by the Lord himself. With Satan chained up for a thousand years. And the wicked heart of man still shows up.

It's like a metaphor of Adam biting the apple in the garden, the conditions are the same if not better, In the garden Satan was present.

We often we hear people pridefully saying I can't wait until Jesus comes back to sit on his thrown, ( Hopefully they won't be here.)

And we hear people praying this super duper prayer to bind Satan, Well he's going to be chained for a thousand years!! Man still rebels. Apart from the Holyspirit we're lost!!

The Apostles walked with Christ 3 years and still didn't believe.

And today we fight over who we think should lead the nation, No matter who's in office it don't change the heart of man!!

I think Jesus ruling with a rod of Iron from the thrown of David should trump any Laws we have.

The scary thing is these nations is knowingly fighting against the Lord!! The so called Christian nations is the worst because they should know better right?

( NO WRONG.)

The Holy nation ( The Church) is taken out of the World. There is no geographic land mass on earth that is a Holy Nation, Just one that represents a Promise land to Come, which is the NEW Jerusalem. and that's Israel. And it will get a makeover too, when the Earth is Restored.

A lot to think about isn't it

God bless.

Greetings, S Spencer

THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS

Revelation 16:v.13-16

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the Dragon, and out of the mouth of the Beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that Great Day of God Almighty. - The Lord's Day -

16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

Why do Scriptures highlight these spirits as frogs? Why frogs? This is an interesting mystery. Here goes what was revealed unto me about this deep mystery.



You all know that, in general, frogs are amphibians vertebrate animals that live between the aquatic environment and the terrestrial environment.

THE AQUATIC ENVIRONMENT OF EVIL SPIRITS LIKE FROGS

Bringing the true assertions above to the spiritual side and for our understanding according Scriptures, we need to quote first Revelation 17:v.15, that says:

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

As we can see, the verse 15 above shows us, or rather, reveals us the AQUATIC ENVIRONMENT of these spirits of demons like frogs which guide the peoples or rule nations of all tongues in whole earth, through all kind of devilish systems, as religious systems(catholicism, and spiritism, budhism, islamism, among others), and political systems, and military systems, and social and cultural systems, among others systems. In fact, Satan goes to and fro and from walking up and down among them.

The biblical interpretation above is about spirit like frog that infested waters according Revelation 17:v.15.

What is THE TERRESTRIAL ENVIRONMENT OF THE EVIL SPIRITS LIKE FROGS?

S. Spencer,

Lets establish a time frame for, before the millennium age, by the scriptures you referenced.

Revelation 16:16 -just before Christ's return Gog's army is gathered.

Joel 3:2 "I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat...."

Joel 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for (the day of the LORD is near) in the valley of decision.

Ezekiel 38:15 -day of the Lord attack on Israel.

Revelation 20:8 the post millennium battle. How is it that Gog was destroyed by Jesus at His coming, and only a thousand years later, Gog's numbers are as the sand of the sea? I suspect this is a metaphor of an allegory, wrapped in an enigma working here.

Psalm 83:2-8 David's prayer against Israel's oppressors. You have something here, great job. The mention of Edom (Russia/Esau) as the root cause gives merit to this last conflict reference.

S. Spencer,

Yes, there is a lot to think about here. The more I know about the millennium, the more I know I don't know about the millennium. It begins a new age and the story isn't understood using common sense. For instance, the saints in the millennium were resurrected, born again, of Spirit, Christ-like beings, so why all the fighting? The plausible answer is they are now fighting the spirit world, and the devil has no place among the incorruptible, and is extinguished forever. I think God made the hereafter descriptions vague because he wanted us to focus on the prophets and the Gospels.

I have trouble with a rapture theory where the church (Christians) worldwide is removed through divine intervention, before the great tribulation, and presumably resurrected. Jesus said you will find the "taken" where the vultures circle over, so they are dead bodies.

-Rapture is not in the lexicon, it's not established doctrine, and if it were established, there would be many detailed accounts of these events. There are none such accounts, only conjecture. I wouldn't call it standing on solid ground.

-( Revelation 6:10-11) The OT saints are asking how long till judgment, and are told to wait till after the sealed saints die, at the seventh trumpet ( Revelation 11:12). This is the first resurrection of the great tribulation saints.

-( 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) is the one of the most manipulated scriptures assisting rapturists, but this occurs at the last trumpet ( Revelation 11:12).

-As the one hundred forty four thousand sealed of the Christian elite are being sealed, billions of living Christians are raptured to heaven so they won't suffer their appointed death? What is the point?

-Why are living Christians counted among the firstfruits, and not the billions who died in Christ?

-The first resurrection is only the one hundred forty four thousand saints.

-The second resurrection is for everyone else.

Greetings in Christ, Wesley Masterson

From everything you wrote in the first paragraph of your post, the most important is linked with the millennium itself, the other things although they are important too, however they are secondary.

One of the most important event to happen in the beginning of the millennium is to cast down Satan from this heavenly environment in Christ (where we still are in in the present time) to the earth. Immediately thereafter, cast him into the bottomless pit that he should deceive the nations no more - Revelation 20:v.1-3.

I think that you and all here know that the Word of GOD reveals that on God's six Days of creation and one Day of rest (a total of seven days) plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years ( Psalm 90:4; II Pet.3:8) so MANKIND would go through six God Days of 1,000 years each (a total of 6,000 years) plus a Millennium of 1,000 years rest (now a total of 7,000 years).

You and all here know that GOD sent JESUS in the TURN of the fourth Day to the fifth Day, or around 4,000 years after Adam. GOD was still working, as JESUS said: John 5:v.17 - My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. And from JESUS until the current time passad more two days or two thousand years, if we call the Christian calendar we would say that have passad 2,021 years. Therefore, from Adam until today already passad around 6,000 years.

That said, we must discern and understand that we are already living in the beginning of the seventh and last millennium, the millennium of Christ, or seventh and last Day, the LORD's Day. In other words, we are living in the beginning of the first century of the seventh and last millennium. Honestly, in my vision, we are in the last decade of the Devil's world -2020 to 2030-, the week 70th of Daniel 9:v.27 (7 years) is within of this current decade, the times of the END arrived.

What I tell you I tell to all: Get ready

In my post to Wesley Masterson, where is read "so MANKIND would go through six God Days of 1 years each (a total of 6 years) plus a Millennium of 1 years rest (now a total of 7 years)" is incorret;

The correct is , "so MANKIND would go through six God Days of one thousand years each (a total of 6 thousand years) plus a Millennium of one thousand years rest (now a total of 7 thousand years).

OSEAS,

So you are saying that the world is 6 thousand years old, and a century into the 7th?

I'm gonna have to toss out all my anthropology books:

"Non-bird dinosaurs lived between about 245 and 66 million years ago, in a time known as the Mesozoic Era. This was many millions of years before the first modern humans appeared."

Oh no, I did not say what you thought that I said. Note that I focused the generations of MANKIND, I meant from Adam until our days, I did not refer on creation of planet Earth.

Adam and his human nature did appear after the fall of the ruler of Eden and the multitude of angels which followed him- Genesis 6:v.1-12 and Jude 1:v.6-7. So God decided to destroy the man He had created from the face of the earth through a flood of waters upon the earth, and to destroy all flesh, where the breath of life was, from under heaven; and everything that was on earth should perish in the flood waters.

By the way, in the year 1.556 after Adam, Noah was five hundred years old, and GOD said for him to build the Ark. In the year 1.656 after Adam, even in the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, in this same day a flood of waters began to fall upon the earth.

For your better understand, and also for all readers, according biblical Chronology, we can number our days, beginning in Genesis chapter 5, as follow:

Adam lived .................................... 130 yrs and begat Seth

Seth lived 105 yrsand begatEnosh;

Enosh lived ........................................90yrsand begatKenan;

Kenanlived.........................................70yrsand begatMahalalel;

Mahalalellived ....................................65yrsand begatJared;

Jaredlived ........................................162yrs and begatEnoch;

Enochlived .........................................65yrsand begatMethuselah

Methuselahlived.................................187yrsand begatLamech;

Lamechlived.....................................182yrsand begatNoah;

FromNoahs birthuntilthe Flood.........600 yrs.

Total of years fromAdam tothe Flood=1,656 yrs.

I work with the Word of God.Notice that the table above is proved by the Word of God, it is not human theories or human speculations or conjectures.

OSEAS,

You said "the week 70th of Daniel 9:v.27 (7 years) is within of this current decade"

Listen to this:

-Jesus had the first 1/2 of the week, 42 months, and was cut off.

-antichrist gets the second half of the week, 42 months, and is cut off by Jesus Messiah.

It is a multi-thousand year old prophesy. There is no 7 year end-time run when he is revealed, only 42 months.