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At what point in a roman does love turn to fornication when you hug and kiss on one even if it's someone you love very much if there's no sex is it still fornication that is the question I would like to know no one wants to tell me are either they just don't know I don't want to commit fornication but I do like to hug and kiss. at what point does huging and kissing turn to fornication? George Hasten Friday, July 2, 2021
The word fornication comes from the word PORNEIA which means any form of sexual immorality. It's also where we get our English word pornography from. A hug or a kiss in itself does not constitute sexual immorality. But there are other things to keep in mind. There are other ways to look at it depending on who you are hugging and kissing. For instance, if a married man is seen someplace hugging and kissing another woman, even though that would not be considered fornication (sexual immorality), it would give the appearance of evil, which we are to avoid. Even if you are a single believer, hugging and kissing could cause other believers to think more could be taking place "behind the scenes." Again, we are told not to even give the appearance of evil, even though a "hug" or a "kiss in itself may not be evil.
Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.
Romans 16:16
Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.
1 Corinthians 16:20
All the brethren greet you. Greet ye one another with an holy kiss.
Genesis 27:26
And his father Isaac said unto him, Come near now, and kiss me, my son.
1 Peter 5:14
Greet ye one another with a kiss of charity. Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen.
Proverbs 27:6 - Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
2 Peter 1:7
And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
Hebrews 13:1
Let brotherly love continue.
1 Thessalonians 4:9
But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.
Romans 12:10
Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;
1 Corinthians 16:14 Let all your things be done with charity. 1 John 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
Colossians 3:5 - Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
Comment by Mishael: Amongst Church members, I would hope that we don't judge each other's greetings.
In our present culture we seem to be hyper aware of any kind of sexual harassment.
Inside of our Church setting we should be able to greet each other with a handshake and squeeze on the arm without a problem.
Rather than be shocked by standoffness, try to discern the other persons body language. We are naturally hyper now due to Covid-19 and Variant fears. It is, what it is.
Hello, it would seem nice if there was a clear cut line for all sins, wouldn't it. But if we knew that, would our goal then be to get as close to that line as possible without going over? Is that really what Christians should do who genuinely love and follow Jesus?
We could ask the same question for drunkenness. 2-3 beers ok? 4-5, 6-8? Lying: a little white lie ok? What about if it will protect someone? What if no one will find out? Theft- what if its 'communal' property, what if the person I take from is 'bad' and 'deserves it'? Murder: abortion if below 1 month? What about 4 months? 9 months? What about after birth if deformed? What about elderly? What about all ages if we don't like them?
Satan loves to tempt people with making tiny little increments towards sin, and he's good at deceiving people into doing it. What if the goal if Christians shouldn't be to see how close the line they can go, but play it safe and try to love and follow God with all your heart, soul, and strength?
Fornication isn't the only sin involved in the scenario you describe, but lust. Jesus didn't say "I died on the cross so you can sin all you want now." If anything he was MORE restrictive, saying sin no more, and if you love Him to obey His commandments. He also said this: Matthew 5:28
I would say that is a tough question for me atleast.
But if I was to guess at it I would say you probably could use the same principle for fornication as seen here for Adultery.
Matthew 5:28-29. But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
If you eyes leads you to lust you pluck them out.
So if your hugging and kissing leads one to lust then maybe you shouldn't.
I would go further to say if ones testimony or credibility as a Christian is in question why not get married?
None believers look for such things to attack the Church.
The word fornication comes from the word PORNEIA which means any form of sexual immorality. It's also where we get our English word pornography from. A hug or a kiss in itself does not constitute sexual immorality. But there are other things to keep in mind. There are other ways to look at it depending on who you are hugging and kissing. For instance, if a married man is seen someplace hugging and kissing another woman, even though that would not be considered fornication (sexual immorality), it would give the appearance of evil, which we are to avoid. Even if you are a single believer, hugging and kissing could cause other believers to think more could be taking place "behind the scenes." Again, we are told not to even give the appearance of evil, even though a "hug" or a "kiss in itself may not be evil.
Greet one another with an holy kiss.
1 Thessalonians 5:26
Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss.
Luke 7:45
Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.
Romans 16:16
Salute one another with an holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.
1 Corinthians 16:20
All the brethren greet you. Greet ye one another with an holy kiss.
Genesis 27:26
And his father Isaac said unto him, Come near now, and kiss me, my son.
1 Peter 5:14
Greet ye one another with a kiss of charity. Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen.
Proverbs 27:6 - Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
2 Peter 1:7
And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
Hebrews 13:1
Let brotherly love continue.
1 Thessalonians 4:9
But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another.
Romans 12:10
Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;
1 Corinthians 16:14 Let all your things be done with charity. 1 John 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
Colossians 3:5 - Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
Comment by Mishael: Amongst Church members, I would hope that we don't judge each other's greetings.
In our present culture we seem to be hyper aware of any kind of sexual harassment.
Inside of our Church setting we should be able to greet each other with a handshake and squeeze on the arm without a problem.
Rather than be shocked by standoffness, try to discern the other persons body language. We are naturally hyper now due to Covid-19 and Variant fears. It is, what it is.
We could ask the same question for drunkenness. 2-3 beers ok? 4-5, 6-8? Lying: a little white lie ok? What about if it will protect someone? What if no one will find out? Theft- what if its 'communal' property, what if the person I take from is 'bad' and 'deserves it'? Murder: abortion if below 1 month? What about 4 months? 9 months? What about after birth if deformed? What about elderly? What about all ages if we don't like them?
Satan loves to tempt people with making tiny little increments towards sin, and he's good at deceiving people into doing it. What if the goal if Christians shouldn't be to see how close the line they can go, but play it safe and try to love and follow God with all your heart, soul, and strength?
Fornication isn't the only sin involved in the scenario you describe, but lust. Jesus didn't say "I died on the cross so you can sin all you want now." If anything he was MORE restrictive, saying sin no more, and if you love Him to obey His commandments. He also said this: Matthew 5:28
God bless...
I would say that is a tough question for me atleast.
But if I was to guess at it I would say you probably could use the same principle for fornication as seen here for Adultery.
Matthew 5:28-29. But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
If you eyes leads you to lust you pluck them out.
So if your hugging and kissing leads one to lust then maybe you shouldn't.
I would go further to say if ones testimony or credibility as a Christian is in question why not get married?
None believers look for such things to attack the Church.
God bless.
It just seems that two old people who love each other where it
would hurt no one why it is so wrong
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