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Look at this piece of the mystery, then tell me about it.
Revelation 7 begins with the 144K being sealed for 42 months (vs 4), immediately after this (vs 9) 42 months have passed, and the 144k are in heaven (vs 14). These 144k are the only firstfruits ever spoken of. Their purpose is far greater than what they are given credit for simply because they are concealed in allegory.
( Revelation 7:4) And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
vs 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with WHITE ROBES, and palms in their hands;
vs 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Two witnesses are the 144k in heaven ( Revelation 11:12) ( 1 Thessalonians 4:17) ( Revelation 14:1-4)
There's more to reveal between the 144K and the fifth seal saints:
( Revelation 6:9-11) And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And WHITE ROBES were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
A little season = fifth seal-seventh trumpet
( Revelation 7:13) And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in WHITE ROBES? and whence came they? (fellowservants)
Hi Carlton From the context in Revelation concerning the 144,000 Gods Word states from 12,000 from each tribe of Israel, I.E. Rev. 4-8, the other those as the sands of the sea which cannot be numbered, the description is Rev.6:9-11 and Rev. 7: 9-17 now it does give specific time frames in revelation just descriptions of events. The description of those washed the white in the blood of the lamb gives me the understanding its talking about from pentecost age of grace, until the end of the age of grace reason you could not be washed in the blood until Jesus Christ was sacrificed, the only other people it could apply to would be people who try to believe after the church is taken up, but I'm not sure that would apply. Some really interesting stuff. Thanks for the sharing. Something else to consider as long as christians are in the world so is Christ but once we are gathered together, or resurrected no more church, question is this will it be available to be born again after Christ has gathered His Body the Church because that opens a different age? Just food for thought.
Carlton what I briefly looked at the 144,000 applies to Israel and the multitude as the sand of the sea applies to those who were born again all kindreds races and nations, still working on it. Book of revelation is not a cut and dry reading by any stretch and there are a million interpretations on the subject matter.
Hi Carlton I really don't spend a lot of time in the book of revelation but I will get back to you, most of my reading is in the church epistles directed to us in the Church of God in this the age of Grace. My understanding from everything I've read revelation deals with Gods judgement on mankind and the adversary and all evil. Since when we are born again we are sons and daughters of God and have pass from eternal death and judgement to eternal life and made righteous and totally forgiven by the blood of Christ I don't see how the book of revelation applies directly to us except where we come back with Christ after being resurrected from the dead gathering together or rapture as it is called when the dead in Christ shall rise and meet Him in the air. We are as the church epistles state saints which means separated ones. In revelation we come back with Christ to kick Spiritual butt so to speak. I will get back to you on the rest. God Bless I apologize if I got long winded there.
Proof? You never show proof that the 2 witnesses are not the 144k, you just say "no". Why does God call the witness up to heaven and they appear in heaven as the 144k? Why is the woman in chapter 12 protected for 42 months, like the 2 witnesses, yet only the 144k are sealed?
I explain in a way where you can either agree or disagree, and you can understand the methods I used to arrive at a conclusion. Your discernment procures dangerous doctrine. I can't even agree with you on the basics. Stick with knowing that Jesus died for our benefit, unless that's wrong, too. Like Sacha says, I won't read or reply to your evil workings.
Let me guess, you bought your Bible in a Chinese thrift shop while a hurricane was blowing? I appreciate how you know everything and nothing at all. I don't mind being wrong, but the least you can do is reveal your end-time draft picks.
If your interested or you may already have it I have the research material on the subject matter, including astronomy I.E. His Star and Historically and of course its got to line up with Gods Word.
The 9-11 date has played a significant role throughout history.
Tisha B'Av is a day of morning for Jews. It is the day Jews remember the destruction of the two Temples. Tisha B'Av happens to be on September 11th. There is a greater connection:
Our leaders study scripture, they knew 9-11-01 and the ( Revelation 9:1-11) narrative fit their offensive perfectly. So, the fifth trumpet army went out like locust to conquer the ME. The US killed Muslim's who didn't have the seal of God in their foreheads. There are no "green things" in the desert to destroy ( Revelation 9:4).
Carlton Also look up Tishri 1 Judean Calendar at the time of Christ Birth and what else was celebrated on that date yearly very significant, in light of Jesus Christ being KIng of Kings I.E. He who was born King Of The Jews. Very inspiring read
9/11 was already called 'national emergency day' before 2001, because people dial 911 for an emergency operator in the US. While not an official national holiday, this date was on some calendars and congress also acknowledged this special date before 2001. I believe that's why the muslim terrorists chose this date, because they created a national emergency on our national emergency day.
CIA & Mossad planned, planted, executed, and covered up 9-11. False flag, trumpet #5.
PNAC, Operation Northwoods "looking for a new Pearl Harbor and endless wars of choice"
The Russian's have satellite footage of pentagon & World Trade Center attacks. What kind of plane hits the pentagon then travels through 3 concentric rings of reinforced concrete and steel, leaving a 16 foot exit hole? It was a missile.
Mystery Babylon in fast decline, and somewhere deep in Revelation 17, and staring down 18.
I am kind of lost for words. I have tried three times now to say what I want to say but cannot find the words to do so. There is name calling, talking down to others and just not being what a God fearing person should be on here. If you do not like what someone says then just forgive them and move on. I know this will not do any good at all but I have seen this site go down hill for six months now because of all the ones that think they know all the answers to everything going on right now and the past. I would not want one of my kids to see this site now. If you cannot keep you rude comments to yourself then please stop. I have even seen several people say that the virus is not real and is a fake. You do not know and I do not know the truth about it or where it came from. Please do not ack like you know. I have seen people die from it or at least that is what they said it was? This is one of the most wonderful sites I have ever seen so please lets keep it this way. Amen and thank you Lord for everything you do and have done for me and my Family. I still have not found the words I really wanted to use.
Norman Walker , I totally sympathize Norman , some of the things people put on here do leave me literally speechless , I wouldn't know where to start to respond , the best way to combat this for me , is to not read the posts from people that you know you are not going to agree with , just move on and find something that you can enjoy discussing with some one who is obviously looking for a genuine chat about the things pertaining to God and His Son and the Kingdom , if I read all posts and attempted to answer them all I would not bother with this site , stay away from the things that you know will wind you up and you will find plenty to enjoy here , much love in Christ .
Hi Norman, I believe that these would be some of the words we all need in our lives on a daily basis, God bless
Galatians 5:13-26 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
Mystery Babylon behaves and fulfills prophesy as if mirroring the beast. At the day of the Lord, and while in the midst of destroying the whole house of Israel (modern day), anti-christ attacks and takes 3 nations from his own confederacy.
( Ezekiel 38:13) Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil? anti-christ destroyed his own property.
Daniel confirms the prophesy:
( Daniel 7:24) And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them (Gog); and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings, [Sheba, and Dedan, and Tarshish].
( Daniel 11:42) He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. [Saudi Arabia, Egypt & Turkey?]
On 9-11-01 America attacked itself, blamed the attack on a patsy and rushed off to war, all on a pack of lies. To fight an "enemy" who fought on the US side against Iraq and Syria as hired mercenaries. This is "The Greater Israel Project," carving out a buffer zone between Israel, their neighbors and more.
US Statement From General Wesley Clark: (after 3 towers in NY were plucked), we're going to take out 7 ME countries in 5 years.
( Revelation 9:10) And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men FIVE months.
After Biblical Babylon falls, the Beast "takes" 3 of his 10 allies, leaving 7 nations in his command. The US does prophesy backwards to mimic what the Beast does by taking 3 of their own horns (towers), then taking 7 nations in 5 years (months). According to the rules of numerology, this is a perfect supplanted fit.
This is how we communicate our views to one another. We are passionate. It has always been like this. People need to be corrected. I know people who think Jesus was jet black, does that mean I should keep quiet about the matter, or tell them Revelation 1:13-15 describes a transfigured Jesus? You need to know when to say your peace. Better to have disputes than to abandon the Word completely. The plethora of errors written in the Bible, make the people to err, and drop away. However the truth is raised, so be it. Jesus stuck it to the authority, would you rather have him silenced?
Plethora of errors? That is quite an accusation you slipped in there to attack God's Word. In 100% the cases I've heard people repeating this belief they have not found an error, but misunderstood something. Please share your evidence of your claim...
I always delight to read your posts, especially while I eat my English breakfast, sipping on a cup of English tea, alongside my English sheep dog. Goosebumps. You really outdid yourself today; no one is accidentally like a martyr.
The best paths to take are the narrow lanes. I might get a visceral reaction to one of God's children in the comment section, their rampant ignorance makes me want to drain their bank accounts, but not enough to develop any mad psychotic hatreds. I like to think I am an average hater, a surface road narrator, pushing and shoving my way into heaven like a 13 year old girl at a Beiber concert.
Hi Gertrude , I replied to you earlier but it must have got lost along the way , I hope you and all yours are ok , I noticed you didn't answer my question to everyone about wether or not the virus is a "sign of the times " or not ,it could be wishfull thinking on my part but I think it is , some one on here recently said that the Bible is alive and that made me tingle as that's how it's very much been for me especially this last year , I never thought that I had scales on my eyes but I must have had as I can see much more clearly now , it really feels alive to me and I'm very excited for the future , a little bit scared also as I think times are going to get tougher for most of us , if we live or die during the coming madness it doesn't matter as we know to whom we belong and where we are going , can't wait to meet you in person , Delta Dawn will be there too , big hugs in Christ .
Seth , please , tell me all these errors , I'm serious , you can't expect to say that and to not give plenty of examples , please do so , I'm genuinely interested .
Good Call Sacha Either the Bible as originally given is Gods Perfect Words and He gave us A perfect Saviour or he didn't make up your mind, mine is made up.
Let us strive to keep focus on it is written, events change circumstances and conditions change Jesus Christ the same yesterday today and Forever. God Bless
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Look at this piece of the mystery, then tell me about it.
Revelation 7 begins with the 144K being sealed for 42 months (vs 4), immediately after this (vs 9) 42 months have passed, and the 144k are in heaven (vs 14). These 144k are the only firstfruits ever spoken of. Their purpose is far greater than what they are given credit for simply because they are concealed in allegory.
( Revelation 7:4) And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
vs 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with WHITE ROBES, and palms in their hands;
vs 14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Two witnesses are the 144k in heaven ( Revelation 11:12) ( 1 Thessalonians 4:17) ( Revelation 14:1-4)
There's more to reveal between the 144K and the fifth seal saints:
( Revelation 6:9-11) And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And WHITE ROBES were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
A little season = fifth seal-seventh trumpet
( Revelation 7:13) And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in WHITE ROBES? and whence came they? (fellowservants)
144k = ( Revelation 7:15)
but they will work with the two witnesses against the red Dragon to help the
Church of the Lord- Revelation 12:v.16-in a moment of terrible persecution.
By the way, red Dragon is the NEW NAME OF THE OLD SERPENT in this current time of Apocalypse, also called the Devil and SATAN- Revelation 12:v.9.
Proof? You never show proof that the 2 witnesses are not the 144k, you just say "no". Why does God call the witness up to heaven and they appear in heaven as the 144k? Why is the woman in chapter 12 protected for 42 months, like the 2 witnesses, yet only the 144k are sealed?
I explain in a way where you can either agree or disagree, and you can understand the methods I used to arrive at a conclusion. Your discernment procures dangerous doctrine. I can't even agree with you on the basics. Stick with knowing that Jesus died for our benefit, unless that's wrong, too. Like Sacha says, I won't read or reply to your evil workings.
The Word is GOD.
The two witnesses are not the 144K, neither Elijah, nor Moses, nor Enoch, as have been invented by the spirit of man.
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the Churches.
Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? Luke 18:v.8
For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt. Mark 9:v.49
Let me guess, you bought your Bible in a Chinese thrift shop while a hurricane was blowing? I appreciate how you know everything and nothing at all. I don't mind being wrong, but the least you can do is reveal your end-time draft picks.
Tisha B'Av is a day of morning for Jews. It is the day Jews remember the destruction of the two Temples. Tisha B'Av happens to be on September 11th. There is a greater connection:
Our leaders study scripture, they knew 9-11-01 and the ( Revelation 9:1-11) narrative fit their offensive perfectly. So, the fifth trumpet army went out like locust to conquer the ME. The US killed Muslim's who didn't have the seal of God in their foreheads. There are no "green things" in the desert to destroy ( Revelation 9:4).
CIA & Mossad planned, planted, executed, and covered up 9-11. False flag, trumpet #5.
PNAC, Operation Northwoods "looking for a new Pearl Harbor and endless wars of choice"
The Russian's have satellite footage of pentagon & World Trade Center attacks. What kind of plane hits the pentagon then travels through 3 concentric rings of reinforced concrete and steel, leaving a 16 foot exit hole? It was a missile.
Mystery Babylon in fast decline, and somewhere deep in Revelation 17, and staring down 18.
Galatians 5:13-26 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
Mystery Babylon behaves and fulfills prophesy as if mirroring the beast. At the day of the Lord, and while in the midst of destroying the whole house of Israel (modern day), anti-christ attacks and takes 3 nations from his own confederacy.
( Ezekiel 38:13) Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil? anti-christ destroyed his own property.
Daniel confirms the prophesy:
( Daniel 7:24) And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them (Gog); and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings, [Sheba, and Dedan, and Tarshish].
( Daniel 11:42) He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. [Saudi Arabia, Egypt & Turkey?]
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On 9-11-01 America attacked itself, blamed the attack on a patsy and rushed off to war, all on a pack of lies. To fight an "enemy" who fought on the US side against Iraq and Syria as hired mercenaries. This is "The Greater Israel Project," carving out a buffer zone between Israel, their neighbors and more.
US Statement From General Wesley Clark: (after 3 towers in NY were plucked), we're going to take out 7 ME countries in 5 years.
( Revelation 9:10) And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men FIVE months.
After Biblical Babylon falls, the Beast "takes" 3 of his 10 allies, leaving 7 nations in his command. The US does prophesy backwards to mimic what the Beast does by taking 3 of their own horns (towers), then taking 7 nations in 5 years (months). According to the rules of numerology, this is a perfect supplanted fit.
This is how we communicate our views to one another. We are passionate. It has always been like this. People need to be corrected. I know people who think Jesus was jet black, does that mean I should keep quiet about the matter, or tell them Revelation 1:13-15 describes a transfigured Jesus? You need to know when to say your peace. Better to have disputes than to abandon the Word completely. The plethora of errors written in the Bible, make the people to err, and drop away. However the truth is raised, so be it. Jesus stuck it to the authority, would you rather have him silenced?
If anyone tries to Jesus bully me on the boards, I will super Jesus steamroll them.
Elijah steamrolled 450 priests of Baal....the swine ran off the cliff.
See you at the Revelation 16:16 Jehoshaphat blood drive, get a cookie.
This where our peace and rest is always in the presence of the Lord.
I always delight to read your posts, especially while I eat my English breakfast, sipping on a cup of English tea, alongside my English sheep dog. Goosebumps. You really outdid yourself today; no one is accidentally like a martyr.
The best paths to take are the narrow lanes. I might get a visceral reaction to one of God's children in the comment section, their rampant ignorance makes me want to drain their bank accounts, but not enough to develop any mad psychotic hatreds. I like to think I am an average hater, a surface road narrator, pushing and shoving my way into heaven like a 13 year old girl at a Beiber concert.
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