Bible Discussion Thread

Tis gets interesting:

( Revelation 5:9-11) alludes to the 144k reigning on the earth.

9 And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

*ten thousand times ten thousand = 100k, and thousands of thousands = 44 = 144k

( Revelation 14:2-4) confirms it's the 144k from Revelation 5.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Now the question becomes, what are the 144k doing at the seal opening when they themselves are sealed much later, before the day of the Lord, ( Revelation 7)? I notice a lot of 'first shall be last and last shall be first' patterns in Revelation. I got a feeling that that's what's happening here, it is esoteric. A grand mystery always unfolding.

Johnathan.

The group in Revelation is not reigning on the earth. They're in heaven in the midst around the Throne! Revelation 5:6. And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

And they're not the 144 thousand seen in Revelation Ch. 7 and 14. In Revelation 7 and 14 they're 12000 out of every tribe of Israel.

Revelation 7:4. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

In Revelation 5:9:11. It directly says they're out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

I believe this is the Church that has been raptured up.

God bless.

S Spencer,

I have not heard back from you about who the people of many tongues are? I was expecting you to clear this up since you're familiar with it, and willing to talk about what scripture says.

I want to add scripture that solidifies my belief. Please compare these 2 similar scriptures, one of which you used below, and note how spot on they are to ID the 144k:

( Revelation 5:9:11). You said "It directly says they're out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;"

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

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( Revelation 7:8-9) 8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

These are the 144k going from being sealed, to being in heaven. They are the fellowservants of the Revelation 6 fifth seal saints who were told to rest for a little season, and given white robes. The 144k are wearing white robes. It is safe to say that the group in Revelation 5 is the same group that's spread throughout the narrative.

Let me know if this make sense to you, who they are.

S Spencer,

"The group in Revelation is not reigning on the earth"

I said "alluding" because it's not so obvious who they are, but it is obvious from what they do. Yeah, I know they're in heaven, and will reign on earth. Read it again.

"And they're not the 144 thousand seen in Revelation Ch. 7 and 14. In Revelation 7 and 14 they're 12000 out of every tribe of Israel."

How many times do you want God to tell you who they are, and in how many ways? There's something called a rough number. If you can't see the likeness between those 2 figures, math is not your calling.

"In Revelation 5:9:11. It directly says they're out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;"

Seriously? That is them!!! Israel was scattered all over the earth, Israel's seed is everywhere, and from those nations and tongues are where the 144K are gathered from. THEY LOST THEIR IDENTITY, THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHO THEY ARE be it Dan, Ruben, or Gad. They're sealed out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation, that's who Israel has become. Israel represents EVERYONE.

"I believe this is the Church that has been raptured up."

Did you add that number up? It comes out to roughly 144k. depending on what thousands of thousands is, That amount of people would only cover a medium city. What would you do in the first resurrection anyways. ( Revelation 7:15) witnesses have taken up all the jobs. I thought like you because someone told me about a rapture, so I studied up. What speculation I have is backed up by scripture, you'll always have doubt. Be thankful for ( Ezekiel 37:1-14).

S Spencer,

I don't see evidence supporting anyone other than the 144k firstfruits being of the first resurrection. The group in Revelation 5 that live as kings and priests, are the 144k. What the 144k do for a thousand years is symbolic ( Revelation 7:15) Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. The 144k are the church, they are the bride. They are Christ-like. They are the only group officially sealed. Revelation is peppered with them in 7 chapters, illustrated in allegory or metaphor to subtly let you know something is afoot.

I found a scripture that would bolster your belief ( Isaiah 13:15). It's for pre-tribbers, but don't tell them.

( 1 Thessalonians 4:17) Everything hinges on this description, then weighing out the billions of people who will attend. It could be that Paul, who's part of the elect 24, was describing his fellow saints rising. I understand your position, better to be a seventh trumpet riser, than the others. What other scripture supports your doctrine? I will spend some time researching this and other scriptures that lend clarity.

In summary, it all depends on how you interpret scripture, or if you're strongly committed to an ideology to alter. I have looked in the web at what others think about prophesy, scholars, and my interpretations all all to myself. I want God to grade my Bible IQ when we're face to face (2nd resurrection).

S Spencer Thats from context what I understand also.

S Spencer

I read all that you said, you didn't give details only your opinion of who the people are with no proof You need to expand on your vision like you believe in it and want to bring it out That's waht the gays did and the other Sodomites You have had this idea for some time I hope you have a nice day. Say more, get it out.