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When or where was it written with trespass and trespasses in matthew 6:12? Instead of debt and debtors? Is this a real Mandela effect? I can't find any version of it using trespass and trespasses, but all sorts of evidence that it was written that way at one time. Do you have an explanation?
I personally do not know what other version uses the words trespass and trespasses. It looks like you did a search of different translations but could not find the answer? The King James uses the words debts and debtors. That would be correct, as that is how it was originally written in the Greek text. It is the word OPHEILO. In Matthew 6:12, it says, "And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors." Again, that is a proper translation.
In the book of Philemon, Paul presented to Philemon that when you sin against God's justice system, you owe God. That's a debt. It's the same word, OPHEILO. It would be like owing on your credit card. The only difference is you can pay off your credit card debt. When we sin against God, we now are in debt to Him, and it is a debt we cannot pay. When we sin against God, we owe God. How are we going to pay the debt? Jesus came and paid the debt!
The correct translation from the original language would read "Forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors," as it is written in the King James. And there is a principle there in verse 12. The principle is that I'm dictating to God whether He is to forgive me for the sins that I am confessing or not, based on my forgiveness of other people and their sins. If I do not forgive them, I cannot ask God for my forgiveness. It doesn't work that way.
I'm sure I'm telling you things you probably already know. I'm just rambling on and sharing information. I would be curious to find out when it ever read trespass and why someone would have translated it that way?
Brother Jesse. You're certainly not "rambling on". That was a spot on explanation of that verse & we all need to hear it & be reminded of it's Truth regularly - keeping our 'accounts' short with both God & man.
I personally do not know what other version uses the words trespass and trespasses. It looks like you did a search of different translations but could not find the answer? The King James uses the words debts and debtors. That would be correct, as that is how it was originally written in the Greek text. It is the word OPHEILO. In Matthew 6:12, it says, "And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors." Again, that is a proper translation.
In the book of Philemon, Paul presented to Philemon that when you sin against God's justice system, you owe God. That's a debt. It's the same word, OPHEILO. It would be like owing on your credit card. The only difference is you can pay off your credit card debt. When we sin against God, we now are in debt to Him, and it is a debt we cannot pay. When we sin against God, we owe God. How are we going to pay the debt? Jesus came and paid the debt!
The correct translation from the original language would read "Forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors," as it is written in the King James. And there is a principle there in verse 12. The principle is that I'm dictating to God whether He is to forgive me for the sins that I am confessing or not, based on my forgiveness of other people and their sins. If I do not forgive them, I cannot ask God for my forgiveness. It doesn't work that way.
I'm sure I'm telling you things you probably already know. I'm just rambling on and sharing information. I would be curious to find out when it ever read trespass and why someone would have translated it that way?
Thank you for the kind and encouraging words!
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