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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 163670

Bible Discussion Thread

 
  • Heidi - 3 years ago
    "And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

    "So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple."

    "There are more than seven billion people on Planet Earth and more than half of them have never heard the Gospel of Jesus. There are billions of people who have no idea who Jesus Christ is....This is the time to be men and to get out into the battle and spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Now is NOT the time to be turning back." -Mike Allison
  • Smith-Walker - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Heidi,

    You have to add in vs 26 to get a feel for how primitive sounding the text is:

    ( Luke 14:27) And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

    *Straight forward language to walk he walk with God.

    ( Luke 14:33) So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

    *So I have to abandon my possessions to walk with God.

    ( Luke 14:26) If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

    *Do not love others above God to walk with God. I don't hate family members, Jesus, so you got me there. I have a feeling there was more to this conversation than was published.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hello Heidi,

    Thank you for sharing this quote from Mike Allison. I am not sure who he is but I would like to just comment on what he is saying. I agree with him that there are billions who have not heard the salvation message. But I'm not sure if he's trying to put a guilt trip on believers because we are not out there trying to reach everyone with the gospel message? Maybe I'm just reading it wrong. I am all for evangelizing and reaching people with the gospel message, but only as the Lord leads us to do, not us doing it in our own human effort, which I don't believe the Lord blesses. ( Psalm 127:1).

    What I'd like to share about those who have never heard the gospel of Jesus, is that in Romans 1:20, it says "For the invisible things of him (That is, of God), from the creation of the world (The time of creation up till now), the invisible things of God, and please notice the clarity, it says they are clearly seen. There's no confusion!

    And there's a clause at the end of verse 20 that is an apposition to invisible things. Apposition means equal to. When it says for the invisible things of Him, I ask myself what does he mean by that? He says even his eternal power and Godhead. But then I see the conclusion that says that they are without excuse. Could "they" be the ones who have never heard the gospel message? I believe so.

    The word excuse is the word APOLOGEA, where we get our word apologetics from. It is a legal term that means defense. So people have no defense whatsoever. What Romans 1:20 tells me is that not one single human being will stand before God and say "I didn't know!" Psalm 19:1-4 tells us that creation itself testifies to everyone born into this world that God exists.

    I'm not against witnessing Christ. We should be praying for the Lord to lead us into those opportunities. But as far as reaching everyone, they've already been reached through creation that there is a God. And in the end, God has a plan to reach every single person on the earth!
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Amen Jesse.

    Disciples wasn't just evangelists, Your walk is a way of witnessing. What ever we do we should do it by the Power of the Spirit. Not as a task. God equips us differently for the work. However I think we will be surprised how far the word has went out. I have a friend who is african that went to seminary and take the Gospel to his tribe in Africa which was all Muslim. He was nervous but when he got there he was surprised that the Gospel and Churches have been already built. And the cults is there too unfortunately.

    I believe the world will be judged by their response to what light they received.

    And our works will be judged by what we done in the spirit and what's in the flesh will go up in smoke.

    But we also should be aware of how we're being observed

    John 13:34-35. A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

    BY THIS SHALL ALL MEN KNOW THAT YE ARE MY DISCIPLES, IF YE HAVE LOVE ONE TO ANOTHER.

    There's more than one way to give Christ to the lost.

    The problem at times seems to be what's being presented whether by message or by example.

    Amen God bless.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Brother Spencer,

    That's right! Others should see be able to see Christ in us without us even saying a word. As far as God equipping us differently for His work, that is true also in that no two believers have the exact same ministry. I heard a true story about a missionary that was sent to some remote location that had no churches, no bibles, no pastors, nothing, very primitive location. This missionary talked with some of those people and before he could even share the gospel, they already spoke of the existence of God. How did that happen? Nobody preached to them. And I agree, the world will be judged according to their response. For us as believers, we will be judged, not for salvation, because Christ paid for that, but we will be judged on what we did in response to the Lord when His Spirit came to us and persuade us of something. That's what we will be judged on. How did we respond to that persuasion? And by the way, I've said this before, but the word persuasion is literally the word faith. And yes, the bible says we will pass through the fire. I like to look at it as a "Spiritual car wash" that we will go through. That which is not of Christ will burn, but that which we did in response to the persuasion of His Spirit, that will be our reward/s.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Brother Jesse.

    As I mentioned earlier my friend who was a Muslim and was converted to Christianity went to seminary and teaches at a Church in Ga. Went to Africa to share his faith with his family, Where they're predominantly Muslim. He was afraid they wouldn't accept him but Missionaries was already there putting in the work!! However the JW's and all the other cults is there too. The biggest Church there is a Prosperity Church. aking merchandise out of them. But many has converted to Christianity. And his family noticed something different about him. It's been six years ago since his first visit. I'm going to reach out to him to see have he been back.

    God bless.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 3 years ago
    S Spencer,

    What a great testimony of God's Spirit working in Africa resulting in many receiving Christ. It is concerning though with all the different cult groups spreading the wrong message. There's a whole smorgasbord of religions out there, and the Lord allows us to choose. It's only through a continuous study of God's word and being faithful to Him that a true believer will not become entrapped in such groups!
  • Heidi - In Reply - 3 years ago
    "In Reply to Jesse--

    Yes; in the entire article, he emphasizes the importance of us getting out there and winning souls. I totally understand where you are coming from with that, and I agree with you for the most part. The Bible says that no one will have a good excuse for not coming to Christ. Through God's creation, everyone can know that THERE IS A GOD. "Someone greater than me created this," they might think. However, there are many who have not heard the plan of salvation. They don't automatically know from nature that "Christ came to Earth to die for them, was buried, and rose again; and that if they will accept Him as their Savior and repent of their sins, they will go to Heaven when they die." Someone specifically has to tell them that. HOWEVER, they KNOW that there is a God; if they believe in Him, God knows that they have believed, and He will take them to Heaven just as surely as the man who got saved in a revival service after hearing the Gospel. The main focus of Brother Allison's comment was telling the SALVATION MESSAGE, SPECIFICALLY, "THE GOSPEL.""
  • Bob - In Reply - 3 years ago
    There is not much time left before Gods judgements , repent should be the word ! Many will many will not .

    Read John chapter 17 know Jesus and God is Gods work .
  • Bob - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Most important part is to be living a holy life and be anointed and called , or we put the gospel to shame as hypocrites. And peach a pure gospel .
  • Donald Weiss - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Bob,

    You have a point there, and if the plan is kept simple, it will work. I'm participating in my own experiment that started 2020-current where I avoid societies wheels completely. I've changed my hours, I sleep 8am-2pm; it's a beautiful thing. Grocery store shopping at night is awesome, working out, studying. Everything at night is free with no one around to rip me off, which will be dangerous, I carry. I taught myself many new things on the 3rd shift. I don't have to process the filth of a 9 to 5 routine. Friends, enemies, come and go, so I rely on me. I'm 26, educated, making good money in stocks, no wife to divorce, living pain free, and reading the Word on the down low.

    ( Revelation 18:4)
  • Heidi - In Reply - 3 years ago
    In Reply to Jesse--

    Yes; in the entire article, he emphasizes the importance of us getting out there and winning souls. I totally understand where you are coming from with that, and I agree with you for the most part. The Bible says that no one will have a good excuse for not coming to Christ. Through God's creation, everyone can know that THERE IS A GOD. "Someone greater than me created this," they might think. However, there are many who have not heard the plan of salvation. They don't automatically know from nature that "Christ came to Earth to die for them, was buried, and rose again; and that if they will accept Him as their Savior and repent of their sins, they will go to Heaven when they die." Someone specifically has to tell them that. HOWEVER, they KNOW that there is a God; if they believe in Him, God knows that they have believed, and He will take them to Heaven just as surely as the man who got saved in a revival service after hearing the Gospel. The main focus of Brother Allison's comment was telling the SALVATION MESSAGE, SPECIFICALLY, "THE GOSPEL."



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