Bible Discussion Thread

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Talakayala Which part are you referring to and why theological version.

The mark of the beast,do you understand what is it and to whom the book of Revelation point to initiating this mark and who will get it and how to avoid it!!Revelation means to reveal and God is revealing to us how to avoid getting the Mark Of The Beast and how to identify the TRUE and FALSE CHURCH!!

You must know what is the mark of the beast in order to avoid it or not to accept!

Revelation is very very clear as to what is the Mark of the Beast! It simply tells us the number and name of the beast! It says to count the number for it is the number of a

man!This man will give order to be honored and worshipped and will be called by Many God,HOLY FATHER,Vicker! Study Revelation 13 it is very clear. This is why Jesus said "IF you love me keep my commandments!!!If you truly love God than you must love TRUTH because God is TRUTH! No beating around the bush the Mark Of the Beast is Sunday worship!! It is clear in Revelation 13, Daniel throughout the Bible God talks about His holy day the Sabbath and He never changed it! Constantine did by putting many people to death who refused to keep the day of the sun ,SUNDAY and that's where Sunday worship came from. Go read history in the library,you would be shocked!!

Precious sister Judith, as another well said "have PEACE In your heart." Also, to add to that you can have COMFORT in The Words of CHRIST to Paul, for us, believers in God's Gospel of GRACE, who Are IN The Body of CHRIST: "COMFORT one another With These Words!" ( 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18), and, Also "These Words" ( 1 Corinthians 15:51-57).

This is our Great GRACE Departure to heaven, When God ENDS HIS (Romans - Philemon = Revelation of God's MYSTERY) 'Age Of GRACE,' for Judgment in heaven, Before He begins His tribulation/Wrath/Judgment upon an UNbelieving world {see below...}. Thus, there is no 'mark of the beast' for us...

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From "Things That DIFFER!":

The UNbelievers on the earth, AFTER we Depart (above) will have to make a choice in God's gospel of the kingdom, according to PROPHECY, to believe, worship God, and be martyred, OR, to take the 'mark of the beast,' worship him instead, and live on earth, and be Judged to suffer the Second Death. (Daniel, Matthew, And Revelation)

Judith, please be richly Encouraged, and Edified In The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And HIS Word Of Truth!

Precious Judith, I apologize, I should have CLARIFIED this with Scriptures below:

"The UNbelievers on the earth, AFTER we Depart (above) will have to make a choice in God's gospel of the kingdom, according to PROPHECY, to believe, worship God, and be martyred, OR, to take the 'mark of the beast,' worship him instead, and live on earth, and be Judged to suffer the Second Death. (Daniel, Matthew, And Revelation)"

Not all will have this CHOICE, ie: those of Today, who REJECT God's Precious Gospel Of

GRACE, UNbelievers who will enter The Time of Jacob's Trouble, Will be part of the following, with NO Second Chance for "a CHOICE!" = THEY WILL take the "mark":

When "THE WICKED one {man of sin, son of Perdition} is Revealed:

"Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not The Love Of The Truth, that they might be saved. And for This Cause God Shall Send them Strong Delusion, that they should BELIEVE A LIE: That they ALL might be damned who believed not The Truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." ( 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10) Did you notice the "Double Deception" here?

Thanks for you prayerful/careful consideration - Please Be Encouraged!!

Judith,

Many do not believe we will be here; it is the gathering of the Church (rapture). I believe scripture tells us if we are living, we will be here and we must be prepared, but you can study that for your conscience. We see in Revelation 12 and 13 when Satan is cast down permanently to earth with no more access to heaven. Satan is standing on the sand of the sea when the first beast ascends out of the sea (bottomless pit). ( Revelation 11:7) ( Revelation 17:8) Satan gives his seat, authority, and power to this beast, and this beast makes war against the saints and prevails. People on earth will worship Satan and this beast because of the power that will be shown, the world will be incapable to make war against it.

The second beast (false prophet) rises and creates an image of the first beast and causes people to worship the image and take the mark. He deceives people with great wonders, miracles, and power in the sight of the first beast. So being in the sight of the first beast appears the two beasts are here during the same time.

This mark is not something that you will not know you are taking, whoever takes this mark will willingly take it and whoever does not worship that image and take the mark will be killed, scary thought but true. Anyone whose name is written in the Lambs book of life will not worship the beast or image and will not take the mark.

Have peace in your heart, the Holy Spirit in us will make it crystal clear what will be happening and we will overcome the hour of temptation. ( Revelation 3:10). This is going to be the darkest time so far on earth and many to most of us in Christ who are still living will be killed. Jesus said after the tribulation of those days. ( Matthew 24:29-31) ( Mark 13:24-27)

Pray and Study, trust the Holy Spirit of truth.

RLW

RLW I think the key to whether the church will be here or not is in 3 Words, The Lords Day. Please allow me to explain in the book of revelation 1:10 I was in the spirit on the Lords day now some teach that is sunday but in the church epistles walking by the spirit is 24/7. In 2 Thessalonians 2:2 it says day of Christ but it does not say the lords day, no where in the church epistles is the Gathering together called the lords day. Now in the church epistles 1 Corinthians 4:3 Paul states But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you or of mans judgement, in this day and time in the court system its man who is doing the judging that's why people can curse God and do all kinds of stuff and God is so to speak holding back, that's why its called the age of grace, BUT once Christ comes back for The Church it's a whole different ball game. The book of revelation is when all unbelief gets its clock cleaned so to speak. Any additional input gladly welcome. In His Service

Brother Rick, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

You are correct, the LORD'S DAY is when you are born again of TRUTH (SPIRIT).

The day of the Lord (second coming of Christ by the baptism of the Holy Ghost) has been happening to those who the Father DRAWS for two thousand years.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it NOT WRITTEN in your LAW, I said ye are gods?

John 10:35 If he (THE WORD) called them (the new born) gods, unto whom (the SPIRIT CAME, THE WORD CAME), and the scripture (THE WORD) cannot be broken (BUT FULLFILLED).

Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery.... Christ in us....

I AM the resurrection; when you come to truth of this resurrection that you took part IN, of the twain to make ONE (I AM ) new man.

We become God's glory at the redemption of HIS PURCHASED POSSESSION.

When his angels (spiritual messengers) come to harvest HIS SEED at the death of this body of flesh.

RLW: "we will be here and we must be prepared":

Now, this is quite interesting, what is your take, RLW, on three of your so-called "prophecy Experts," who Will Be Here, and the "way THEY teach to be prepared"?:

(1) says to {SELFishly?} "hoard UP SEVEN years worth of food for the coming famine"

(2) says to "FLEE from the cities to the protection of the RURAL areas"

(3) says to "FLEE from the U.S. To the safety of Ethiopia"???

(4) maybe you have "another idea" for preparedness?

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Now, those of us, In The Body Of CHRIST:

(A) who are looking, watching, and waiting patiently For The LORD JESUS CHRIST ( 2 Thessalonians 2:1) ( Romans 8:18-19) ( Romans 8:23) ( Romans 8:25) ( 1 Corinthians 1:7) ( Ephesians 6:12-18) ( Philippians 3:20) ( Colossians 4:1-3) ( 1 Thessalonians 1:10) ( 1 Thessalonians 5:5-11) ( Titus 2:13)

(B) To Take us home to Heaven ( 2 Corinthians 5:1) ( 2 Corinthians 5:2) ( Ephesians 1:3) ( Ephesians 1:20) ( Ephesians 2:6) ( Philippians 3:20) ( Colossians 1:5) ( 2 Timothy 4:18)

Believe OUR "preparation" should be to:

(1) Stay where God Has Called us, preaching The Gospel Of GRACE ( 1 Corinthians 15:3-4) ( Ephesians 2:8-9), to the lost,

(2) "studying" God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15), avoiding ALL of the above Confusion, And:

(3) Using our {God-Given} resources to, In "ONE WORD - LOVE our neighbor" ( Galatians 5:14) ( Romans 13:8-10), and {UNselfishly!} teaching/helping those in need!! ALL in "preparation" for:

(C) Judgment ( 1 Corinthians 3:7-15) for "rewards" for these! Amen?

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened,Exhorted, and Edified!

Hi ChrisE,

Sorry, but I am not a prepper and do not plan to bug out. What, three of your so-called prophecy experts? Don't know where that came from. I guess it was brotherly love how you placed me outside of "those of us, In The Body Of CHRIST". You must have a picture painted in your mind that clearly shows you who I am and what I believe, quite haughty and discerning!

I admire you took the time to list all the scripture, assuming I do not know them or follow them. But I am also watching, and waiting patiently for the coming of our Lord Jesus as He told us to do. ( Mark 13:33-37) Jesus also said take heed that no man deceive you. ( Matthew 24:4)

It is clear you believe in the seven-year end-time teaching with the Church gathering and taken to heaven but I don't. To discuss it would be endless because you seem pretty dogmatic. What I see in scripture does not support that belief and what I meant is to be ready, strong in our faith, and ready to face what is coming before the return of our Lord Jesus.

If someone's hope is to be spared the tribulation that is coming and are here when it starts, will their faith be strong enough, some will, but sadly many will not. Jesus did say after the tribulation of those days. That is what I meant by being prepared.

RLW

Bless you brother RLW. The 10 virgins parable shows us what to do, to be ready. And I have long believed that Jesus will come for His Bride before the violence begins.

Sadly our Brethern in Afghanistan are having to suffer martyrdom. We need to take note of that and not smugly, feel safer in USA.

Let's fill our lamps with the oil of JOY, that the Bridegroom is soon coming back, to be CAUGHT UP INTO THE CLOUDS; His Bride.

However that happens, let us be ready.

It doesn't always need 50 scriptures to convince a person to be ready. I like the parables that Jesus taught. His stories have anointing, power and are easy for everyone to understand. That's why he communicated that way.

:D Be looking upyour redemption draws close

When that lightning explodes east to west, no one is going to sleep through that! We gotta be ready.

Hey Mishael,

Thank you, brother, for your right, nobody is going to sleep when our Lord comes back. When that trumpet sounds and that lightning opens the heaven every eye will see him coming. I also like the parables, there are hidden jewels in them like the virgins the oil in the lamps.

The Christians in Afghanistan will face some terrible times, may the Lord be with them and they do need our prayers and you are right, we are not as safe as we think, change can come in a day.

We may disagree on the bride and when Jesus comes, before or after the beast shows up, we do agree on the importance of being ready. If we are ready and our lamps are full, we will be prepared, even if we have to face death, our faith will not fail and we will be ready. Just think, we will see Him face to face!

God bless,

RLW

Hi Judith This is part of what we have to look forward to The Church in this the Age of Grace will not be here for When The Antichrist is in full power, not saying there aren't events occurring heading that direction, but that will not occur till after Christ comes back for His Body the Church. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 , verse 1 Gathered together unto Him jesus Christ verse 8 Then shall that wicked be revealed, verse 12 That they [all] might be damned who believed not the truth [the gospel ] but had pleasure in unrighteousness. Whatever the literal mark of the beast is nobody left after the body of Christ is taken up will be able to do anything without worshipping bowing down to what the adversary will set up. In His Service

ChrisE In my observation very very few people understand The grace administration Of The Church of The Body of Christ or everything made available and everything we are delivered from or the things we won't be a part of in the future which is all in the scope of what we have to look forward to. In His Service