Bible Discussion Thread

Hello!, I'm going to go ahead and give a disclaimer, I'm NOT a typist or a literary guru or an English major. I do have a couple of questions that I hope someone can clarify for me. Question 1; Biblically explain to me John 8;58 and John 14:8-9. Question 2; How should we be Baptized? In the name of titles?( Matt. 28;19)? or in the Name of Jesus, Acts;2;38, Acts 10;48,or Acts 19;1-6? Thank you for your time, In Christ, Gerald.

Gerald, my Precious friend, I'll take your question "2: How should we be baptized?" Better

is to first ask: Does God Require water baptism, today? IF yes, then find out "how."

IF not, then no need to find that out, Correct? Here is my "Summary study" on this Important Issue:

Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli"priesthood!" ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6)

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B) WITHThe Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16) Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things ThatDiffer!:

Mystery/GRACE! =our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

Paul WasNot Sent to water baptize! Why Not?:

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,Spiritually Identifying members Into The ONE Body Of CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4) ( 1 Corinthians 12:13) MYSTERY/GRACE! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONEOR, EQUALS TWO?

Is it not Possible That God'sAnswer Of "No water baptism, for us Today," Under HIS Pure GRACE, absolutely "Solves" theMany Severely DIVIDED denominations' Confusion!?

Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!

ChrisE, thank you for responding! My friend I'm a little confused about your summary. You mentioned law/prophets lets begin there. I think it's safe to say that Moses was a prophet to be reckon with(according to old test. and new) that's what drove the Pharisees crazy about Jesus. According to "law" Jesus was behaving like a "mavrick" skirting around it but never breaking it always leaving them arguing among themselves about it. Well Jesus did say Matt. 5;17 I came not to destroy the law but fulfil it. Having said that lets take a look at what the law said about washing or baptizing. God told Moses the prophet in Exodus 30:15-17 that if the priest did NOT wash they were dead men. That was law. But fulfilling that law Jesus ( THE HIGH PRIEST) Hebrews 3:1-5 told John I need you to baptize me...(I'm going to the Altar{Calvary} eventually) and I need to be washed. If we are to be is followers, ambassadors, disciples, Christians or whatever and he(JESUS) was baptized shouldn't we then follow His example? In Christ, Gerald.

Gerald,

It would take a lot of space to give you an answer to both these questions. I'll take question 1 and maybe someone else could help you out with the second question. John Chapter 8 is a very long chapter so I'll try and just give you a summary of the chapter unless you have specific questions on any of the verses in that chapter.

Verses 1-8 gives us the plot concerning the woman caught in adultery. Verses 12 through 20 gives us the proof of deity from witnesses. In verses 21 through 30, we see the perplexity over spiritual matters. And then in verses 31 through 59, we see the proof of conversion. If anyone wants proof that they are saved, just take a look at verse 31 which says, "If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed:"

Verse 58 is interesting. Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Literally, before Abraham was in existence, I was already in existence, and always have been, the I AM of the Old Testament! These Jews knew who Jesus was claiming to be. That's why verse 59 says they took up stones to cast at Him.

My biblical explanation of John 14:8-9:

In verse 8, Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. It's like we've been hearing about your Father for three years, so show Him to us. You would think that maybe one of them had a girlfriend that said "Are you going to take me home to introduce me to your father? I haven't seen him. I haven't met him yet. We have been listening to you talk about your Father and that you speak His words, not your words, and that it is Him working in you, so show us the Father. Bring Him out!"

Then Jesus says in verse 9 that if you have seen me, you have seen the Father. In John 10:31, Jesus said I and the Father are one. And He is leading into teachings now that are going to say the Father and I, we are going to make our abode in you. I am in the Father, the Father in me, and we are going to be in you. We are going to be all one!

Thank you Jesse, I really just wanted vs 58 of John you did great! the Jews picked up stone because Jesus just proclaimed to them to be God......He was. He robed Himself in the only begotten Son(flesh) and dwelt amongst them. Thanks again in Christ,Gerald,

Gerald,

You are welcome. And yes indeed, Jesus Christ was God manifest in the flesh, the out beam (APAUGASMA) of God's glory!!!

Hi jesse In light of what you shared in Gospel of John 14: 8+9 you would think that after everything they eyewitnessed they got, thank God that they got it at pentecost and made available to us. To think we have never physically seen Him and we believe His word. That's always amazed me.

Dianne,

Yes, amen! That's what it means to live by faith (PEITHO/Persuasion). We believe because it is His Spirit that persuades us to believe. Without His indwelling Spirit persuading us, we would be no different than those who are perishing, and it would all be foolishness to us ( 1 Corinthians 1:18).

Amen and Amen, Brother Jesse:

In you last paragraph, you quoted Matthew concerning the Father and Jesus being ONE; WE will ALSO be ONE in them (not in the flesh we now suffer in, but when we have departed this flesh).

Do you BELIEVE we will be God in the same way both the Father is God and the Son is God?

I BELIEVE we will; but DIFFERENT GLORIES.

Earl,

I believe all who have experienced a spiritual rebirth are one. We are one body in Christ Jesus. As far as your question goes, I can't say that I believe that.

Thank you Brother Jesse.

Hi Gerald The answer to question number is found in Romans 10:9+10.

Gerald The most important answer to most of these is Romans 10:9+10 that's the beginning of the miracle of all miracles forgiveness of sins and you become a child of the most High God and receive holy spirit Gods gift Christ in you. it's the beginning of a new life. God Bless

Dianne, Thank you!..I must confess I am a born again believer! I was curious to see what kind of answers would come back. I have been baptized in the only Name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved! God Bless! In Christ, Gerald.