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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 164949

Bible Discussion Thread

 
  • Peggy on Romans 1 - 3 years ago
    If homosexuals have accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior & still continue with their homosexual lifestyle, will they go to Heaven when they die. From what I can gather from reading the Bible, they cannot so I wanted to know if that is your understanding as well.
  • Bob Morris - In Reply on Romans 1 - 3 years ago
    John 3:16 for God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son that WHOEVER believes in him shall not perish but have ETERNAL LIFE
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Romans 1 - 3 years ago
    Hi Peggy,

    I would like to add to what Brother Jesse said.

    There are some that believe and teach that when you are saved you can do what ever they want because you are saved by Love and grace. So they continue on in their sin. But the scripture says otherwise.

    Romans 6:1-2. What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

    God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

    ( Continue reading Romans 6:3-10. )

    When we are born again Christians we have been baptized into the body of believers, "We all have been Identified with the death and resurrection of Christ.

    Were no longer under complete control by the motions of the flesh

    Romans 7:5. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

    But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

    This brings on a new nature and attitude towards sin. The Holyspirit convicts us and empowers us. Not to perfection but a pure heart. There should be evidence of fruit in your life and conviction against ALL sin. I would do a serious study in Romans Ch 6. Ch 7. and Ch 8.

    God bless.
  • Dianne - In Reply on Romans 1 - 3 years ago
    Hi peggy Confessing Romans 10:9+10 the reason why God says believe in your heart that word heart is the word cardia that which you believe in the very core of your being. The same usage of heart is used in Proverbs 3:5+6 notice verse 7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear or respect the lord and depart from evil. If you respect you stop doing things against what you respect. There is no excuse. God Bless
  • Jesse - In Reply on Romans 1 - 3 years ago
    Peggy,

    When a person makes a decision to receive Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, they must repent of their sinful lifestyle, meaning they must make a decision to change the direction of their life. If that person has truly received Christ, and is being led by His Spirit, they would no longer continue on in such a sinful state. So if a homosexual continues on in his sinful disgusting lifestyle, I would say that person does not have the Spirit of Christ in them, meaning that person is not saved, regardless of their claim of being a Christian. If the homosexual has no conviction in his heart that what he is doing is sinful in the eyes of the Lord, I would say that person does not have the Spirit of God in them! For those who say they have received Christ, or that they are a Christian (a Christ follower), the bible tells us that we will know them by their fruit. So if I see someone who says they have received Christ, and I know they are still involved in such a hideous act with no conviction nor willingness to stop and fully surrender to Christ, right away the "red flag" is going up. That to me does not demonstrate the fruit of God's Spirit working in that person's life and would tell me that that person is not being led by the Spirit at all, and that they have an illegitimate claim at being a true born again believer.
  • GRACEambassador ChrisE - In Reply on Romans 1 - 3 years ago
    Precious friend, my understanding is that The ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Of The Saviour "Cleanses us from ALL sin," and we receive God's FREE Gift Of ETERNAL Life, at the Very Moment of faith/belief/trust In The SAVIOUR, JESUS CHRIST, and His Death {BLOOD}, Burial, And His Resurrection. God Establishes This ETERNAL "Relationship" With us.

    ( 1 Corinthians 15:3-4) ( Ephesians 2:5-9) ( Romans 3-5) and others in Romans - Philemon.

    What we do, or fail to do, is in our Calling To "fellowship" With The LORD JESUS CHRIST.

    ( 1 Corinthians 1:9). This is for "rewards or lack thereof" At Judgment ( 1 Corinthians 3:7-15)

    Be Encouraged, Exhorted, Enlightened, and Edified In HIS Precious Word!
  • Adam - In Reply on Romans 1 - 3 years ago
    Hi Peggy,

    God is the judge and knows our hearts in whether we are genuine or not. If we choose to follow Jesus He knows how serious we are about it- whether we're doing it for unpure motives or not. Everyone is a sinner, and those who will be saved will be saved by grace. But most people won't be saved and the Word doesn't say everyone who claims to be a Christian will be saved, either. So, I think God's definition of what a Christ follower may sometimes be a little different than what man assumes is a Christ follower. I know 'Christians' who actively participate in all kinds of sin, like homosexuality, fornication, theft, coveting, harming the body through drugs, drunkenness, etc. Many also feel they are 'saved' because that was the message they heard at church and feel they can commit unlimited sin and follow satan and still be saved, because someone told them that.

    The reason I believe this is Matthew 7:21-23. It clearly gives an example of someone who believed in and followed Jesus, BUT the one who does the will of the father. So, I have a very different message than some who claim that you can 'do whatever you want'. Some even say that doing good is bad and evil. That sounds awfully familiar- as if its from the father of lies (satan) who loves convincing even Christians of the opposite. We are called to be good and do good and avoid sin. John 8:11 And I think anyone claiming to be Christian and willingly sinning is like slapping Jesus in the face and spitting on the cross. Some should wake up and be afraid of judgment of God. God bless...
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Romans 1 - 3 years ago
    Brother Adam; by God's grace, I would request you meditate on the words you spoke.

    Quote: ....those who will be saved will be saved by grace. But most people won't be saved.....

    Meditate on grace.

    This is one of those truths that leaves us boxed in with no exit.

    God's work or man's work.

    No response necessary, the Spirit reveals.

    GBU
  • Adam - In Reply on Romans 1 - 3 years ago
    Hello Earl,

    I stand by what I wrote, but am unsure about your comment. I don't know what you mean by boxed in with no exit. And I don't know why you try to reduce the subject to 'God's work or man's work'. Some turn this into a false dichotomy and assume its one or the other, but scripture says do both. Paul already anticipated potential confusion over this topic in advance which is why he explained it thoroughly in the scriptures.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply on Romans 1 - 3 years ago
    Brother Adam; it is reduced to God doing everything; otherwise, God IS NOT SOVEREIGN.

    Philippians 2:13 For it is God (Spirit) that WORKETH IN YOU BOTH to WILL (his will is made to be your will) and TO DO his good pleasure.

    Did Esau have a choice, NO, the WORD had already been spoken (before the foundations of the world) before they were born. The older would serve the younger.

    Did Judas have a choice, NO, the WORD was spoken before he was born that he would betray Jesus.

    Does mankind have a choice to NOT BOW and CONFESS Jesus is Lord, NO, the WORDS have already been spoken. It is ONLY now a matter of everyone's APPOINTED TIME for the WORKS to be FULLFILLED.

    One of God's rules in the Old Testament was that Israel WOULD NOT marry gentiles; yet it was God that made Samson want to marry a gentile woman, going against his own rules.

    Judges 14:1-4 But his father and his mother KNEW NOT THAT IT WAS OF THE LORD.

    He made EVERYTHING and EVERYONE for HIS PURPOSE.

    What IS NOT OF FAITH (of Christ) is SIN.

    Grace is totally the WORK of GOD. It has nothing to do with how good or bad a person is. Paul was KILLING GOD'S ELECT (as was Hitler), grace saved Paul; yet man screams Hitler will burn in Hell. Why does man appoint grace to just some people (mostly themselves), when God says he is no respector of persons.

    Paul knew the WORKS were ALL OF GOD.

    Colossians 1:29 Wherefore I also labour, striving according to HIS WORKING, which WORKETH in me mightly.

    Jesus KNEW the Father was doing EVERYTHING in him, that is why he didn't sin.

    1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin.....



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