Bible Discussion Thread

On your question of water baptism being 'required' for salvation. The apostle Paul in his letters spoke many times of living for the Lord and the many characteristics that would confirm that new nature. Salvation is twofold. First, one must trust Christ as Savior for the forgiveness of their sins. Secondly, and of equal weight, they must embrace Him as Lord of their life. When one comes to the realization of their wretched state in relation to God, they should call upon the Lord for his mercy to forgive them their trespasses and then be prepared to receive the grace provided by the Holy Spirit to follow His mandates, statutes, and commands. Among the first of these would be water immersion, if possible.

But, if not possible for reasons of location, current physical condition or other unique factors, God would not negate the forgiveness of sins for that believer. He would simply start the walk of obedience from that point on. If situations are permitted in future time, the Holy Spirit could be relied upon to prompt that person to complete that obligation then.

Remember, faith and obedience. They go hand in hand for the follower of Christ and God.

Mark, Precious friend, there is NO water baptism, today, Under God's GRACE. ie:

Does God Require water baptism, today? IF yes, then, we have to find out WHICH of the Many Various "denominational traditions" is the Correct one, Correct?

However, IF God Says "NO," as I believe All Scripture Shows below, then "yes" is OUT of the question, yes?:

"Summary study" on this Important Issue:

Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6)

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B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16)

Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That Differ!:

Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:

Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,

Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!

( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4)

( 1 Corinthians 12:13)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Conclusion: God's ONE Baptism Today? = ONE OR, EQUALS TWO?

Is it not Possible That God's Answer Of "No water baptism, for us Today," Under HIS Pure GRACE, absolutely vanquishes the {Many Severely DIVIDED denominations?} Confusion into oblivion!? Also, "...we walk By FAITH, Not by sight..." ( 2 Corinthians 5:7) Amen?

Mark, Precious friend, Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!

A lot of words were written there with the goal of disobeying Jesus? I would think Christ followers would be excited to obey Christ. The Bible clearly says to be baptized. It's not complicated. Acts 2:38

Put another way, there's no downside and only upside to obeying Christ and being baptized, right? So, why all the effort to justify disobeying and convince others to do the same?

Hi Adam What you stated is the sum of it.

There is nothing in Ecclesiastes that says to disobey Christ. What specifically are you talking about? In fact, nothing in the bible anywhere says to disobey Christ. I think there may be a misunderstanding.

Hi Robert, I think you're looking at the Bible reference next to the commenters' name. That's misleading as often that reference has nothing to do with the subject matter - it's seems to be a random Scripture selection. In this thread, the subject is on water baptism & Adam has given the correct response.

It looks like you either didn't read the thread or replied to the wrong person.