Bible Discussion Thread

It is confusing to me that Jesus's linage is assigned to David when Joseph was not his father and no part of Jesus has the DNA of Joseph. It is Mary's line from which he arose and that is never mentioned or explained in the bible. By the way I am not a feminist so that is not the root of this question.

Thanks

Denise

Hi Denise.

I'm going to try to answer your question and it might take 2 pages. This has the virgn birth tucked away here and the Lord working is shown in Jeremiah 22. We will come to it Later.

Jesus was to be of the HOUSE "and" LINEAGE of David. "This is not synonymous " Jesus was to be of the seed of the woman. Hear you have the LINEAGE. Which goes through Nathan.

I believe Sacha was right. The account in Luke is Mary's Genealogy. focusing on the humanity he starts with Joseph ends with Adam.

Mathew beiing a Jew focus on the Legal rights starting with Abraham and ends with Christ. Here you have the House of David going through Solomon.

But notice the twist in Jeremiah, "The last of the descendants of Solomon on the throne before they went into captivity.

" Jeremiah 22:30. Thus saith the LORD, WRITE YE THIS MAN CHILDLESS, a man that shall not prosper in his days: FOR NO MAN OF HIS SEED SHALL PROSPER, SITTING UPON THE THRONE OF DAVID, and ruling any more in Judah. "A blood curse"

That's why the lineage is through Mary and the Legal rights is through Joseph by Marriage. Solomons lineage was cut off at Jeconiah. And that's why Jesus is called the seed of "The woman ".

Here I believe we have The House and The lineage of David.

So we have Joseph of the House and lineage of David but the right to the throne by lineage was cut off at Jeconiah.

However Jesus is not of the lineage of Joseph, He was of the seed of the woman by the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 1:18.

Matthew 1:20.

I hope that helps.

God bless.

Thank you! This explains a question I have had for a long time!

Hi Dense.

You are welcome.

God bless.

Denise: Your question is a good one. The only logical answer is, this document--Matthew-- is a product of a patrilineal society, that is, descent is traced through the male line. Nothing then was known of DNA, and for the writer it would have been natural to trace Jesus's lineage through the male line and never think twice. Matthew, if he is the writer, is a product of his own time. And just as nothing was known of DNA, nothing was known of the basis of physical or mental disease back then. In fact we had to wait until the latter part of the 19th C for science to understand how diseases were transported by various vectors. At the time Matthew was written, we find Jesus and his disciples traveling about expelling demons because demons were thought to be the cause of all sorts of illnesses. The book Matthew is very much a product of its day.

John This is where we see things differently I believe the Word of God is true and God Told the men to write what He wanted the way He wanted it, 2 Peter 1:20+21. I'll stay with the word.

Hi Dense In Mathew 1:16 Scripture state and Jacob begat joseph the husband of mary of whom was born Jesus who was born Christ. Jesus Christ had sinless blood because the seed was from God Luke 1:30-35 the human side was mary, human prodigy is passed on through the father I.E. His seed. In leviticus 17: 11 The life of the flesh is in the blood jesus Christ has sinless blood that's genealogy. Prayerfully this helped God Bless

Respectfully, I don't think you answered Denise's question. I have no desire to challenge your faith. But the last line of the first chapter of Matthew is that Joseph did not "know" Mary until after she gave birth to Jesus. He is simply not the father of Jesus, not in any biological sense, and it would be erroneous to trace Jesus's descent through Joseph's lineage. Now if you want to go on faith because it is so written, please be my guest. Here's a thought: maybe Jesus's lineage doesn't really matter. Do you like the beatitudes in Chapter 4? well, maybe that's sufficient regardless of who spoke them.

John I don't view this an challenging my faith or belief, but from all your replies you appear to doubt what God says in His word, my question to you is what do you really believe. In the epistle of 2 Timothy 3:16 it says all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction for instruction in righteousness. The words by inspiration of God in the greek is the word theopneustos which means God breathed think about that. Another example in the Gospel of Luke 1:3 the words perfect understanding [ perfect is akribos which is accurately and understanding is parakolou which means to follow along side of] so he was Given perfect knowledge to follow and write. Ties right into 2 Peter 1:20+21 and 2 Timothy 3:16. i'll go with Gods Word. God Bless

Dianne: Thank you for your response. Much appreciated. I know that I can not challenge your faith. The reason I wrote what I did is to assure you and others that I have no hidden agenda. I think it is natural for people to wonder why I place comments here. As I read Matthew, I have questions--not doubt. And I want to know what people think. And you have done that. I am not here to argue or be contentious. And writing that, I don't mean to suggest that you are being argumentative or contentious. You are not.

John I welcome everyone with comments, questions and conversation. We can talk in here. So keep coming back. We are all Gods family. We're all learning to be more like JESUS.

I had to learn that. Fruits of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus said of John the Baptist, a greater man had never been before. Sadly, in prison John started to doubt (Shall we look for another? ). Jesus replied.

We're to put on Jesus. More Him and less Us. And I say that with great kindness in my heart.

For me, you, and everyone else.

John look up the word to know or knew his wife is to bare a child, Genesis 4:17, Genesis 4:25, it is an eastern saying, in what I explained there are two genealogies shown in the Gospels for a reason Mathew and Luke. I never stated that joseph genetically had anything to do with Jesus Christ conception that was a Miracle. Mathew says the book of the generation of Jesus Christ why does it say generation in Luke 3:23 it starts out in parenthesis, being [as was supposed] the son of joseph he was not He was the Son of God.

I believe that Mary was descended from king David through his son Nathan and that the genealogy in Luke is Mary's .

Sacha,

You have brought truth to the table several times. May all listen and learn.

Matthew 1:16 Jesus' lineage is connected to Jacob which eventually relates Jesus to Solomon rather than Nathan. One conventional explanation for these differences, from as early as John of Damascus, is that Nathan is the ancestor of the Virgin Mary, while Solomon is the ancestor of Mary's husband Joseph.

Keep me in your heart.

English Sasha My understanding is Mathew is the royal lineage look up how many men are mentioned in the lineage that were kings, look at how many times Jesus christ who is the King of Kings talks about Kingdom of Heaven or Kingdom of God more than any other Gospel, In the gospel of luke is given the flesh side or as a man the perfect man in this Gospel the term son of man is used the most. This is my understanding, there's more to it.

Hi Dianne , I'm sure you already know that Christ is the promised : seed of the woman , from Genesis and that a person was and still is Jewish if they are born of a Jewish mother .

Hi English Sacha Absolutely correct, keep something in mind the seed of the woman was put there by God, that's why Jesus Christ had sinless blood, Leviticus 17:11 the life of the flesh is in the blood. Woman carries eggs not seed, God created seed in Mary. The human side was Mary and correct He was Judean which fulfilled all prophecy. In Hebrews 2:14 For as much then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood He Jesus also himself likewise took part of the same. His blood which was sinless His flesh Human the perfect sacrifice. Its really neat.

Hi , I believe that Mary was also descended from king David , she is a descendant of Nathan who was one of David's sons , David had quite a few sons .