Bible Discussion Thread

One thing I don't understand is - I constantly hear many numerous people of the church like reverends - pastors etc and just random hard core church going people speak out against tarot card readers, people into numerology and other similar areas of interest, they're frowned upon, but in the Bible didn't certain individuals mention visions to kings & other great nobles to pay attention to? My point is why is this mentioned in The Bible as being okay but when folks mention praying to God about winning the lottery they get either laughs, chuckles or just plain scolded by church leaders. I thought speaking of visions was considered forms of evil - especially the way some church folks put it. But they never put down any negativity about those like David, Daniel, Joseph and others who spoke of visions. How is the lottery considered a bad thing or evil but those who read tarot cards are mocked & ridiculed - aren't they in the same category as David and others who spoke of visions. And why is it some people win the lottery & experience no hardships while others experience dread even death, while the rest of us can't win anything period. Or does winning the lottery require one to be that in touch or in tune with God & Jesus - could someone - anyone please help me understand these puzzling points? Thank you for reading my long exhausting question. Sorry but often times I get a bit winded while trying to make my point.

Arthur Workman Sir there is a major difference like earth to moon in what your saying and the way the spirit of God works. First in the old testament when a man of God said thus said the lord it happened verbatim and I mean exactly as stated. Also that information will never cross purposes with Gods Word and will always give Glory to the True God. If a so called prophetess says so and so will happen what would be the point if it couldn't be stopped. Now the example in the book of Daniel 1: 17 As for these children God gave them knowledge and skill in all learning and wisdom and Daniel had understanding in all visions and dreams. No tarot cards fortune tellers water divination he had the spirit of the true God. Now an example of its operation always profitable. Chapter 2 the king had a dream which scared him, called all magicians , sorcerers, astrologers and chaldeans, to tell him whats up. Then in verse 5 he's so rattled that if don't give me an answer you'll be history so they say there is no body that can answer you, then the King set out to kill all the wise men in the kingdom. Now that involves Gods man Daniel. Read from chapter 2:14 -49. Daniel and hananiah, mishael, and Azariah prayed to the God of heaven. End result was Daniel went from being locked up to Highest in command next to the king in babylon. That's how the spirit of the true God works all profitable and no guess work. God Bless P.S. There's more to it but that gives you an idea.

Thank Dianne for replying to me - I honestly felt that I would get responses but not replies this quickly. I have read parts of the book of Daniel but couldn't really get a clear grasp of its content even when hearing it from other pastors. But reading it from you makes it more clearly understandable. Thank you for you kind reply. Have a great day & a greater weekend. Don't know where you live but I do hope it's not as hot as it is here where I am in NYC. It's so hot here I saw the Satan begging on the street for an air conditioner and a cup of ice. LOL. Hope you got your vaccine shots. I did. Again thanks for your words.

Arthur It is a very misunderstood field in scripture so your welcome, P.S. I live in Florida its always cooking here. LOL God Bless

Hello, it sounds like you're assuming visions are the same as tarot cards, numerology, etc. That is not the case. There is nothing wrong with having a vision or a dream. That is very different than claiming to talk to ungodly spirits or demonic spirits or claiming to have powers other than from the holy spirit.

You said you thought speaking of visions was evil. I don't know where you get that from or what you mean by this. I think to simplify one could just ask: is what you're doing from God or of God? yes/no. If yes, that is good. If are you claiming special power from an ungodly source (like satan) and doing things not of God, then that is bad and evil.

You also mentioned the lottery and I don't understand how that's related. God doesn't promise riches in this life by following Him. If anything it's the opposite, as we are promised persecution for our beliefs. 2 Timothy 3:12.

Money is meaningless- you can't take it with you when you die. We are to be responsible with our things, but not put our heart in it. The love of money is the root of evil. We are called to put our treasures in heaven, not on earth. Have you read this before and do you know what it means? Matthew 6:19-21

God bless...

First thank you for your reply honestly I wasn't expecting any replies this quickly. I didn't mean or say "me" personally that I think tarot card reading because I know tarot card reading is evil. And all this other Psychic stuff. I said numerous other people say this. I've known from birth that contacting the dead or anything close to it is pure evil. One never knows what type of door you're going to open. And yeah I agree there is a huge difference between things of or from God vs one doing things because they think or feel they are a type of God and have Godly type abilities. Which is what many of these witch craft folks think of themselves and hide behind it calling it part of their religion. Which there is no witch craft in religion. And when I threw in the lottery issue I just wanted to clarify why is it that some people win & not others. Because Satan definitely doesn't grant financial gifts of that level especially when those who do win never suffer any hardships. But yeah I read continuously Mat 6:19-21 and yeah I do know what it means. Working for treasures for materialistic or even superficial doesn't not grant one a safe passage to Heaven. But God does want us not to live day by day either. He does want us to be financially happy just not chase after riches we are to chase after him because he is a jealous God and wants and loves for us to be independent towards him and him alone. Money is considered like a type of God for some & many always confuse that with peace & happiness yeah with money you can be happy and peaceful at times but if that's all you're focused on then it turns into an obsession which then leads down so many paths of dangerous effects and affects. Thank you for reaching out to me but there are times I just need a little reminder of why I am here on earth & God still loves me. Again thank you for your insightful words - peace out - stay safe & healthy. Hope you got your vaccine shots.