Bible Discussion Thread

Where is the "sinners prayer" found? How do I know(or anyone else) when I'm born again of God's Spirit? Legit questions, I want to know. If salvation (from Hell) is not a "reward" than what is it? I don't think anyone is "saved or sealed" and do anything you want to, there are to many examples in God's word. Just ask Satan, he was there(heaven) and was cast out! because of pride, and making himself liken unto God, there is only one Person who can Promise all things and Guarantee ALL things and that is God. The Word tells us to be faithful, to watch, to do, to sow, to reap, ect., but is not until we stand before Him (in heaven) when He says: "well DONE my faithful servant" We are promised the Holy Ghost (with the evidence of speaking in tongues) but there is a stipulation that comes with it, we have to live an overcoming life, "walk in that spirit", "do mind the things of the spirit", "submit yourselves to a Higher Power", "die daily", "there is a war in our members", these are quotes found in scripture all thru the New Test. from a man who thought he was doing the right thing(and was as far as the Jewish law was concerned) but had an CONVERSION but still wrote those words. What makes me any different? I want to know. In Christ. With Love.

The sinners Prayer My question is what's the bottom line of what your asking?

What must I do to be saved biblically?

The Sinner Prayer P.S. Confess Romans 10:9+10 and the rest of what I said earlier. Sorry

The Sinners Prayer Whatever you do don't sit and confess all your sin A. because you can't remember them all and B. not needed. Repent and say forgive me then Romans 10:8 -11 Confess with thy mouth action thats necessary and believe in thine heart innermost part of your being or for the sake of explanation your gut. that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth and believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead thou shalt be saved [absolute tense] God doesn't mess around. verse 10 For with the heart[ again innermost part of your being] man believeth unto righteousness and with the mouth confessing is made unto salvation. or wholeness also look at Romans 2:4 2nd half its the Goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance.

Rick, does that mean I don't have to be baptized? I'm asking because there are a lot of scriptures in the Bible pertaining to Baptism. Matt. 3:13-16; 20:22-23, Mark 1:5-9; 10:39; 16:16, Luke 3:21; 7:30, John 3:22-23; 4:1-2, Acts 2:38-41; 8:16; 8:36-38, 9:18; 10:48; 16:15,33; 18:8; 19:1-5; 22:16, Romans: 6:3; 1Cor. 1:13-16, Gal. 3:27. I honestly would like to know. I don't want to do something just because everyone else does. Thanks In Christ.

Precious friend, Meaningful Questions: "does that mean I don't have to be baptized?...I don't want to do something just because everyone else does." This is A Very Good Point!

Two things concerning "water baptized to be {or not to be} saved":

(1) Prophecy/Law for ISRAEL: The Twelve Were Sent to water baptize!

The TWO Main, of 12 baptisms =

A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!" ( Matthew 3:5-6) ( Mark 1:4) ( Luke 3:3) ( John 1:31) ( Luke 7:29-30) ( Acts 10:37) ( Matthew 28:19) ( Mark 16:16) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 22:16) ( Ezekiel 36:25) ( John 18:35) ( Exodus 19:6) +

B) WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for power, signs And wonders! ( Isaiah 44:3) ( Matthew 3:11) ( Mark 1:8) ( Mark 16:17-18) ( Luke 24:49) ( Acts 2:17-18) ( Acts 2:38) ( Acts 8:15-17) ( Acts 11:16) Prophecy/Law

Rightly Divided ( 2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That Differ!:

(2) Mystery/GRACE! = our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST: Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5) ( Colossians 2:12) ( Galatians 3:27) ( Romans 6:3-4) ( 1 Corinthians 12:13)

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Thus, This ONE Baptism Is Performed, By God, Today, Under God's GRACE/MYSTERY Program, when the believer "confesses Jesus as Lord and Savior and believes that He died and rose again, and God saves them" in the twinkling of an eye.

So, "water baptism" Is Scriptural, But Dispensationally, "was for the Previous Law/Prophecy Program" of God, For ISRAEL!

Conclusion, water baptism is Scriptural, but, TODAY, is UNdispensational! So, Meaningful Questions, we don't do it "Because Everyone Else is" {disobeying God, In Confusion?} Amen?

Please be Richly Encouraged, enlightened, exhorted, and edified!

More Relevant water baptism Discussion is here: Link

Meaningful questions, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

There is ONE baptism.

Christ is the way, THE TRUTH, THE LIFE. Christ is THE WORD.

By reading and studying God's words; those words becoming TRUTH AND LIFE to you, you are being baptised INTO CHRIST (into the word). His words of truth births you into the likeness of Christ. TRUTH sets you free from being deceived.

Satan who deceives the WHOLE WORLD.

Water baptism only get the flesh wet.

Christian Greetings to all in this discussion!

In brief my few thoughts on water baptism.

Those that have died with Christ will also live on with him. We were baptized into His death and made alive in His new life. This new life begins in the flesh where blood and water mingled together making us free from sin and partakers of eternal life. His love towards us rewarded us with His peace and assurance by the Holy Ghost. It is an honor in the flesh towards Him to let Water start our new walk in Him here in earth. The Water is a witness to the renewal in His life. The Tabernacle's curtain gate was less than the average height of a man where those entering needed to stoop. Baptism by water is humility and humility is life everlasting and life everlasting is the Son who is the Word and our new body.

Meaning Questions The Apostle Paul was given all the information needed by The Spirit revelation in the Church epistles of how to get born again and receive holy Spirit in the age of Grace that we live in. If you choose to get baptized in water fine, In Ephesians 4:5 It says one baptism and water is not mentioned it is a spiritual baptism. Believing Romans 10:9+10 and acting is the key. P.S. I was never water baptized and have been a christian for 45 years. In His Service Don't let fear stop you from being delivered bu Gods Grace.

I had a difficult salvation. A year before, I did a horoscope on 3 family members. My brother-in-law asked his entire church to pray and fast for me ONE DAY. It took a year, but the Lord stripped me of everything that represented Security to me. He rescued me. I saw 2 visions: one of Jesus's face; and one of Hell (which is more foul than anything you can envision). I was delivered

I woke up on the floor and everything in my house looked different. It was lighter, peaceful.

I had been born again and spirit filled also. The Holy Spirit Walked Out The New Birth with me. Acts 19:19 I cleaned my house of everything occult or offensive; later burned.

When I learned about the HOLY SPIRITI sorta freaked out. I just had spirits cast out of me!

I had to learn that He was good; from God. Six months later I was sitting on my sofa and I SAW the Tongues. I heard a couple of words. I spoke what I heard.

On Passover (I refuse to observe easter which=Astarte

The Church members were praying in the Spirit; so I did too. After service ended, the couple sitting next to me asked me if I knew what I was saying. I said no. The wife said "You were speaking Hebrew". I ate the Passover meal at their house. Everything I experienced was so special! And thanks to Jesus for coming after me.

Tongues are not for show off. Your mind is disconnected sorta. You are in the spirit, WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT. Keep speaking what you hear in your spirit. What you are doing is being strengthened in your spirit, that Jesus made alive when you were saved. It refreshes your inward man. Not the flesh.

It strengthens our trust in, and reliance on the Holy Spirit. I asked Him for comfort, peace, when I had none, deliverance from memories, and then I asked Him to Teach me the Bible that I was reading. That's when The Living Water rushed in and cleaned out my opinions and assumptions: and I saw Jesus in His Word. Your spirit wants to hear Jesus. Listen intently.

M.

There's a link out on the Red Page where you came in here: BECOME A BELIEVER

It pretty much explains the whole process.

You might enjoy reading some other folks TESTIMONIES too. There's a link.