The book of revelation was revealed to John; the beloved disciple of Christ; who else deserve to receive this reward because John has loved Jesus more than the others disciples, his true and intense love is agape and genuine, not Evil desire on it, but love God. ( Revelation 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;), (Revelation1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,) And even the scholar of the universities did not understood Paul when he declared that he knew a man, in Christ Jesus that was foretold things that he can not say it. ("Awesome"), By the Holy Spirit help you will know it. {
2nd Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man, (John the beloved disciple of Jesus,) in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. (John the beloved disciple of Jesus,), 2nd Corinthians 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows;), (Paul can not tell because was not his own experience, but John can and he revealed in Revelations 1:10), 2nd Corinthians 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 2nd Corinthians 12:5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities. (bad sight,) 2nd Corinthians 12:6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he sees me to be, or that he hears of me.}
Hello Jorge. That's very interesting - I have never heard this before, that it was the Apostle John whom Paul was referring to in 2 Corinthians 12:2-4.
If that's the case then Paul was stating that John was known by him (which he probably was) & that John had this heavenly vision (in Revelation) about the early 40s AD. However, John was not exiled to Patmos till much later (in the 90s AD) probably under orders of Emporer Domitian (who was ruling at that time). If these dates are correct then it seems impossible for Paul to speak of John having these visions when they hadn't occurred as yet.
As well, how do you understand 2 Corinthians 12:5-7, where Paul writes about 'glorying' (boasting)? Is he then speaking about boasting in John's revelations & in case his boasting got out of hand, a "thorn in the flesh" was given him to keep him humble? It seems incredible that poor Paul would be so afflicted for the likelihood of his boasting of someone else's revelations. Yet, the clear understanding of the 2 Corinthians passage is to the Apostle Paul himself. If perchance he was speaking of another, how could Paul glory in that revelation, since the words of that revelation could not be revealed (v4); if nothing revealed, then where is the glorying? Sorry for all these questions - your comments have me perplexed.
2nd Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man, (John the beloved disciple of Jesus,) in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. (John the beloved disciple of Jesus,), 2nd Corinthians 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows;), (Paul can not tell because was not his own experience, but John can and he revealed in Revelations 1:10), 2nd Corinthians 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. 2nd Corinthians 12:5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities. (bad sight,) 2nd Corinthians 12:6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he sees me to be, or that he hears of me.}
If that's the case then Paul was stating that John was known by him (which he probably was) & that John had this heavenly vision (in Revelation) about the early 40s AD. However, John was not exiled to Patmos till much later (in the 90s AD) probably under orders of Emporer Domitian (who was ruling at that time). If these dates are correct then it seems impossible for Paul to speak of John having these visions when they hadn't occurred as yet.
As well, how do you understand 2 Corinthians 12:5-7, where Paul writes about 'glorying' (boasting)? Is he then speaking about boasting in John's revelations & in case his boasting got out of hand, a "thorn in the flesh" was given him to keep him humble? It seems incredible that poor Paul would be so afflicted for the likelihood of his boasting of someone else's revelations. Yet, the clear understanding of the 2 Corinthians passage is to the Apostle Paul himself. If perchance he was speaking of another, how could Paul glory in that revelation, since the words of that revelation could not be revealed (v4); if nothing revealed, then where is the glorying? Sorry for all these questions - your comments have me perplexed.
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