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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 169048

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  • Thas - 3 years ago
    Matthew 24:36 and Mark 13:32, Did Jesus lie? Is He not omniscient
  • Messenger - In Reply - 3 years ago
    You are replying to a comment by "Thas"

    Hello Thas,

    Deuteronomy 29:29

    secret things belong to God.

    so no Jesus was not a liar

    what he reveals, he reveals. like the signs leading up to

    the end according to Matthew 24 (verse 36)
  • Alex N - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hiya Thas May i give ya my understanding of Jesus saying only the FATHER knows the time of the 2 nd coming not the Son, but i don't think that Jesus was refering to Christ the son of God, Its ISRAEL the son the levitical Priest hood etc that does not know .Outta of Egypt have i called my son, Israel was the son he was refering to The levtical Priesthood. ,But Jesus says he goes to the father, All mine is thine and all thine is mine, Jesus says All that the father has is mine. And the disciples said in John 16 We believe that thou KNOWEST All things and you need no man askest you anything,By this we believe that your came from the Father and goes back to the father, Thus Christ the son that is in the belly of the father wd know all things including the time of his 2 nd coming . As the disciples said we believe that you knowest ALL THINGS. All Israel as a whole is the Son that does not know all things Outta of EgypT have i called my son which was the SON THAT Jesus was refering to, Israel as a whole was also the son of God. Israel came outa of Egypt on about Nissan 14 The Passover a type of the 2 nd coming,when we wd come outta of spritual Egypt,Bondage to sin etc. Behold the lamb of God etc was about the 14 th of Nissan April, so IMO the 2 nd coming is gonna be on April 14. th the lamb of God is gonna come back IMO . When Jesus said he goes back to the Father implies he wd know all things Period. Read John 16:30 We believe that you know ALL THINGS AND THAT YOU CAME FROM THE Father and will go back to the FATHER . But what yr. is unknown to me . But ya can bet its gonna be on or about the time of Passover.
  • Glenn - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Time of the locusts,.. May threw September,..
  • You must be born again __Book of John - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Jesus is God. He's part of the Godhead. Romans chapter 1. When he was being tried by the Pharisees, He said: I and my Father are one.

    The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us" in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

    Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

    Isaiah 6:8

    Romans 1:20

    Colossians 2:9

    Acts 17:27-30

    1 John 5:7

    John 10:30

    "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

    Genesis 1:1

    The Father purposes

    The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)

    The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.

    Jesus is returning sooner than we all think. Matthew 24 and Luke 21 give us specific signs to watch for. They will increase near the end of days

    Something else...this world we call home is going to pass away. We know that it's going to end and be renewed to what God created in Genesis. Before we polluted it and destroyed it with greed and technology. 2 PETER CHAPTER 3.

    No sense in trying to save it now as Biden dreams he can with boatloads of tax money. God promised never to flood the World again. But it is going to burn up. It already is beginning. See, beloved children, IT IS NOT GLOBAL WARMING. The earth is responding to the WORD OF GOD.

    It's coming apart now: forest fires, worldwide droughts, polluted ground water from human belligerence; continent sized floating islands of garbage in both hemispheres. Earthquakes and Volcanos, floods: with increasing intensity. FAULTS once thought long dead will become active. As the end wars are fought, we'll see space objects hit earth, our cities. Food will be used against us to force us to take THE MARK OF THE BEAST, ANTICHRIST. One world currency will be forced on us next. One world religion. Individuality, no more.

    Take the Mark=DEATH

    Take Jesus=LIFE ETERNAL
  • Chris - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hello Thas. No, Jesus didn't lie when He said that only His Father knew of the time of His second appearing. Even though the Word doesn't specifically talk about this subject, i.e. how could a Divine Being come to Earth & not have all His Divine Powers still in His possession, the Scriptures do amply show us of Jesus' Divinity ( John 1:1-14; John 17:4,5; John 6:38 & many more) & Jesus' Mission on Earth ( Matthew 20:28; John 3:16; etc.).

    However, Philippians 2:5-8 gives us vital information: "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." The key word here (for the purposes of your question), is "reputation". In the original Greek, this word is "ekenosen" (from the word, kenosis), which means 'to empty'. So, if Jesus made "Himself of no reputation", the meaning is that 'He emptied Himself' of what He had in His Deity, for the sake of becoming a man, indeed, one of 'servitude' to both God & man, so as to die on a Cross.

    We know that Jesus continued to have Divine Powers (of healing, raising the dead, knowing the thoughts of others, etc.), but there were also certain limitations that He placed on Himself while He was in the flesh on Earth and to be in subjection to His Father (by virtue of His Humanity). The one you quoted is a good example, as also Mark 5:25-32; Luke 4:1 (led of the Spirit). We can then understand that Jesus' coming was also to reveal the Glory of God ( John 1:18) & that to do so, His Own Glory had to be veiled. Therefore, we cannot know why Jesus didn't know the time of His second coming to Earth, except to understand that in His Humanity this knowledge was kept aside - but in Heaven now, He has all His Divine Attributes restored.
  • Earl Bowman - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Brother Chris, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

    Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE BODY and ONE SPIRIT .....

    Christ, (which is, and which was, and which is to come Revelation 1:8); IS, the ONLY ONE BODY. The VESSEL of the ONLY ONE SPIRIT. We (the firstfruits of SPIRIT)( 1 Corinthians 15:23)( Romans 8:23) become the BODY OF CHRIST ( 1 Timothy 6:16)( 1 Corinthians 15:52-55).

    The SPIRIT (the source of POWER) provides ALL, the BODY does all the LABOUR. Christ has everything needed at his disposal at all times; but the SPIRIT ONLY releases it (the power)to THE BODY at the given moment it is required. I am not saying that Christ IS NOT GOD, because HE IS; it takes both (faith and labour)( James 2:17) to be GOD, SPIRIT (the SOURCE) and THE BODY (the LABOUR).

    Everything is done by SPIRIT (the WORKS of the FATHER) THROUGH (the labour) of the SON.

    Christ emptied HIMSELF of the Father's glory ( John 17:5) that he had with him since the beginning, and became sinful flesh, to be destroyed.

    He does't know in advance the second coming, because he is given what is required, as it is required ( John 5:19)( John 5:30), just as we are ( John 15:5). We are being created like him A VESSEL OF THE SPIRIT ( Revelation 10:11).

    1 Corinthians 15:28 When ALL THINGS shall be SUBJECTED to him, then shall the Son ALSO HIMSELF be SUBJECT to him (the source of power) that put all things under him that GOD (Spirit, Truth, Life) may be ALL IN ALL.

    Hebrews 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put ALL in subjection under him, he left nothing that IS NOT PUT under him, But we see NOT YET (but we will see; at the resurrection of the dead) ALL THINGS put under him.

    Obadiah 1:21 And SAVIOURS ( John 17:21) shall come upon mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau (the world); and the kingdom shall be the Lord's.

    Isaiah 26:9 ....when thy judgements are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.
  • Chris - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Brother Earl. Yes, I can agree that Jesus, as the Son of God, had left aside the Glory which He had before ( John 17:5) & was subject to the Father, even for the Works He had to do on Earth. What is concerning to Thas, is why Jesus had not the knowledge of the time of His second appearing, yet showing the other attributes of the Godhead, by His miracles, His knowledge of the thoughts of people, etc. It's difficult to offer an good answer, except as you said, that Jesus "was given (knowledge only) as it is required". Yet, I would have great difficulty in interpreting "the Son" to refer to Israel, as shared by another, as the verses & context given don't compel us to use any other meaning.



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