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An unsaved person told me yesterday he was told "there is nothing like rapture" Is it true?

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An unsaved person told me yesterday he was told "there is nothing like rapture" Is it true?

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Hello Victor,

1 Thessalonians 4:13-17

verse 16: these Dead in Christ shall rise first. for example:

1. ( John 11:11) Lazarus he died again

2. ( Acts 7:55,59, 60) Stephen after saying this, he fell asleep in death. (the vision he saw was in heaven)

3. ( 1 Corinthians 15:6) 500 seen Jesus appear after his death. but some of

them died.

4. Some of Jesus apostles died of old age, most died under roman oppression (by the "ad." "c.e." Jews)

(they were put in prison like Paul as you brought out in Philippians 1), some died in captivity.

Verse 17: Those alive or remain will like Jesus will go to heaven.

( Revelation 14:3/ 144,000). notice the first died. if the second is to be caught up together with them.

they will have to die from flesh...to be taken from earth. ( Acts 1:9,10; Revelation 20)

so no... rapture is not a word in the bible. when Jesus was impaled the scripture said

after that his spirit ( Matthew 27:50 invisible/ john 4:24) yielded up. no human can see the spirit.

( Jas. 2:26)

Hopefully this helps

Hello Victor,

Brother Victor,

The writing of 1 and 2 Thessalonians is attributed to Paul.

I do not put much weight to anything written/said by Paul, as his teachings conflict with Jesus, and the original apostles.

God Bless.

Hi Brother Dan , I understand exactly what you mean about Paul , though I do feel we should try and put him and his life and teachings into some kind of context . Remembering that he was originally a very devoted and zealous Jew and he has to do his best to try and help all these congregations that were mostly made up of heathens from all over the world and who were previously all kinds of idolators etc , he has a very tough job . There is no doubt that he was a chosen vessel of Christ's . From my own experience I think that we are the problem when we take his instructions as commandments and are too dogmatic about them e.g. his personal beliefs on marriage etc . I love many of Paul's letters so much and I think that all we need to do is put them into context and remember that Christ did choose him .

Hi Sister English Sacha,

Thanks for your input, and you are so right regarding the need to put Pauls writings into context. Based on what we know Paul was instrumental in helping the early church's to evolve, and he was ferocious in his teachings. Paul did contribute a lot.

With me, the conflict arises when Paul's message conflicts with Jesus Christ, and his hand picked apostles. Paul may not mean to say conflicting things, they just seem to be interpreted in this way, by many. Maybe it has something to do with the way he speaks, and writes, the words he uses, or delivery of his message. We don't get these conflicting type of issues with Jesus Christ. Jesus message is true, as he speaks the words of God.

Striving to grow in Christ.

God Bless.

Hi Victor,

Don't believe everything you hear from mankind's lips. I trust and believe what God says, though. Look at what is said in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. People call that event a rapture. God bless.