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You may think whatever you like but you cannot deny or ignore what is actually written in Genesis Ch3 Verse22+23 .

Hi TNT.

Here's a reply from you to me after I replied to Brother Ronald.

" You may think whatever you like but you cannot deny or ignore what is actually written in Genesis Ch3 Verse22+23 ."

I'm sorry but I don't understand. can you help me with this? Thank you in advance.

God bless.

Hello S.Spenser , I'm having a problem accessing the thread . However , from memory , you said something about not believing that Adam and Eve were ejected from the garden of Eden to prevent them from eating of the Tree of Life , you said something about them already having life in them . I believe that the tree of life is a foreshadow of Christ . I directed you to the scriptures that refute your belief . Sorry if I misunderstood you .

Hi TNT.

Thanks for responding, I had to go back review my reply to see if I had another type error. I can see where the confusion may have occurred. The first paragraph of Page 2 of my post was a continuation from Page one where I said " 1 John 3:9. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. I dont believe Adam would have been driven out of the Garden to keep him from eating of the tree of life because that life would have abided in him.

Meaning if Adam had God Spirit "IN" him as mentioned in 1 John 3:9. He can not sin, so he would have remained in the Garden. But he didn't and he was convicted a was driven out.

I will tie into the thread again this weekend.

Thanks and God bless.

Hi Brother Ronald.

Part 1.

I would like to give my belief on whether a person can be saved if he does not hold the belief that Jesus is God.

I believe there is levels in areas in which the spirit grows a person. for example a person can be well versed and lack discernment, everyone is not gifted in all areas, But only God knows at this point. I believe the fruit in a believers life such as Love and humility ect. is going to be present in a believers life, and it will definitely be absent in a professing Christian. We've seen that often in debates.

Just because a "person" believe in the trinity that does not make him a Christian so to believe otherwise does not disqualify you, I don't believe Life given by the spirit is given by this doctrine. But I do hold this doctrine to be true and scriptural and though it is not required to "get' saved, once saved, in due time it will be revealed by the spirit.

I believe an important question is what means "are" we saved. A work "of God" through faith in Christ confirmed by the fruit in our life, or a work or belief system 'we' hold?

You don't hold to the trinity doctrine but atleast from my point of view you seem to be very fruitful so I would claim you as a brother. I elected to sit this one out but I do have a question.

You stated: " when the first Adam sinned "God could no longer dwell in man." Jesus, the last Adam, on the cross repaired what the first Adam did, God can again abode/dwell in man. In Jesus through the Holy Spirit God dwells in us, now God is with us. End quote.

I don't hold the view that God ever dwelled "IN" Man until Christ was resurrected. Are you saying God dwelled in the 1st Adam? 1 John 3:9. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. I dont believe Adam would have been driven out of the Garden to keep him from eating of the tree of life because that life would have abided in him.

Part 2 coming.

Part one,

S Spencer, brother thank you for your caring and your support to the brothers and sisters on this site. I understand this subject is off-limits to many and I thank you for your answer. I understand as Christian's we have different understandings of scriptures. I understand discernment, it is like Paul said in ( 1 Corinthians 3:2) the Holy Spirit does the same.

I went to church in my younger years and I had Christian parents, but I was not truly saved until my forties going on thirty years ago, it took over two years through demonic battles and things I did not believe were even real. I have full faith in my salvation in Jesus Christ and the baptizing of the Holy Spirit, if not I would not be here today.

I understand wanting to sit this one out some people's emotions override the love in Christ and many hold this undebatable, if we lived long ago, we would be in fear of death and even today your treated as unwanted, and cast out of many congregations, and I do cherish you considering me a brother.

On to the two Adams, now this is what I feel has been revealed through the Holy Spirit and my understanding of Scripture and I understand if we do not agree, but I will as best I can, tell you. When God formed the first Adam and made Eve out of his rib, they were in the garden naked and they were not ashamed ( Genesis 2:21-25). Their conscience was clean and white, not touched with sin, a dwelling place where God could communicate directly to Adam. After sin we see the voice of God walking, we know who that was.

If we look at all the scripture about our conscience it is where evil or good dwells. We are convicted by our conscience, our conscience records every thought, every intent, every imagination whether good or evil, it is the part of us that is recorded in the books that will be opened. This is why the law fell short it could cleanse the flesh but was uncapable of cleansing the conscience. ( Hebrews 9:8-14) ( Hebrews 10:1-12).

Continued

Hi Ronald,

I just noticed your reply- thank you for your time. I will do my best to stand up for Jesus in my reply and with limited space will try to be direct. It looked like you went through and interpreted some of the 10 verse examples in your own way. It concludes with an unrelated question that resembles a red herring. You said that believing these 10 verses I shared is a 'creed' and a 'trinity doctrine'. No, it's just believing in God's Word. I believe you are the one believing a creed and an anti-trinity doctrine. I don't have any motive or emotional bias one way or the other, I just believe God's Word. It's a fact that Jesus was called God in the Bible and so I believe it, that's all there is to it. That doesn't threaten or upset me as it somehow seems to for others, so I believe you have a bias or an anti-trinity emotional position. I don't think it's a doctrinal argument, because it already says what it does in the Bible and doesn't need any external creative interpretation. For instance, I just listed the verses and called out a few key words like the "Word was God" but you wrote quite a bit in order to shift and justify your interpretation from a literal one to a creative one.

It seems you were once told that catholics came up with the trinity? That's untrue. It's in the Bible, so that's where it came from. Whomever made that claim may have been motivated to associate the Bible verse interpretation with a 'bad guy' in order to fortify such a anti-God-trinity position. As an example, if I said that Hitler also was a denier of Jesus' divinity and if I used that as an argument against others, I believe it would be a dirty emotional tactic. Even if it's true, it's irrelevant what someone else believes. It only matters what God says and God said in John 1:1 that the Word is God and in verse 18 it says Jesus was the Word. Therefore Jesus is God. This doesn't threaten me and I fully embrace and accept God's Word as truth. Since it says it clearly in the Bible that Jesus is God, I believe Jesus is God. Why are some uncomfortable with this truth?

Amen Brother Chris!

God bless you.