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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 170908

Bible Discussion Thread

 
  • Susanne Ernst on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    Do I need to cover my head every time I am talking to God and Jesus? I talk to him all throughout the day.......do I need to stop every time I do this to put a covering over my head? Do you think this is actually what he means for me to do?

    And am I really not allowed to speak in church (a woman); what about female ministers? They have to speak, otherwise they wouldn't be able to preach. Did God mean for women to refrain from entering the ministry? No because Tabitha was an apostle wasn't she?, so she must have done a lot of teaching.

    Please help me understand this
  • Free - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi all saint's i'll have always think about respect and subordinate themselves to each other, in this case. Men and Wo-man.

    Example. Men have the authority. And Wom-an have it different, becouse of the child birth with blood and wather and pain. Wo-man need protection. And the man should be the protection for her.

    Soo with them lady's who is alone, and may be virgin and dont have a man, need the protection, and want to show it. They have God Him self as the Protector. The same for the man virgin. They must give theyr heart too God.

    What do Paul tell us? That we shall stretch out a hand too widows and those who is without father. Becouse ones they hade the protector.

    my Word today is 1 Peter 4:1-6 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

    2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

    3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:

    4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:

    5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

    6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

    God bless us all with heavenly understanding and let us subordinate our self in Jesus Holy Name, Amen
  • GiGi - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    As a woman whose husband likes my hair short rather than long (and I prefer it short as well) I have often thought about this teaching from Paul. For me, if my husband approves of my hair length, then I am honoring him by doing as he wishes.

    But also, I think about what I need to do if I am in a position to teach youth (or children). Would the length of my hair cause anyone to doubt other instructions in the Bible when they read this verse? I wore my hair long when I taught youth and children in church for this reason. Now I have a Muslim daughter in law. God, She covers her hair with a scarf and wears long sleeves. I ask God, how do I honor her culture/faith while still exercising liberty in Christ? So, if she is offended that my hair isn't covered, I will have her teach me to cover my head with a scarf as she does. It is all about my witness. I have no problem with wearing my hair long or wearing a scarf in church. That is not a difficult teaching for me to follow. I do not think that it should necessarily be done by all women in all churches. But we should have a willing heart to follow these inspired instructions from the apostles if it will allow us to be all things to all people, that some might come to believe.
  • Adam - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    Hello, when reading God's word, one must distinguish between moral law, ceremonial law, civil law. It's my opinion that head covering, circumcision, clothing, etc were Jewish customs and ceremonial laws not applying today. Moral law, like the ten commandments, love thy neighbor, do not kill, apply today.
  • Glenn - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    Covering the head , or hair is not anything that one has to do it is simply keeping Christ in your mind,.. an yes , it's just that simple

    Peace
  • Jesse - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    Susanne,

    We see this in 1 Corinthians Chapter 11. First of all, if you look at verse 3, it gives us God's proper order. The order is God, Christ, man, and then woman. That is God's order for the church and we should not violate that order. As far as covering your head before praying to the Lord, you do not have to have a hat, scarf, or any other type of manufactured head covering before doing so.

    If you look at verse 5, it makes it sound like you have to wear a head covering. But here's what was taking place in Corinth at that time. This is what it's referring to. In Corinth, the prostitutes who worked the temple area, you could tell who they were because of their shaved heads.

    And so he's talking about a covering for women being a symbol or a representation of the fact that she is in submission to her head who is the husband. So what he's saying here is that you put a covering on to show your submission to God's order. If you don't want to do that, you might as well shave your head and be like the rebel prostitutes that are outside. It's either one or the other!

    But what is that covering? 1 Corinthians 11:15 says, But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her. And notice this, this is the key: for her hair is given to her for a covering.

    What covers a woman's head that symbolizes her submission? It's her hair in Corinth! So God gave her her hair for a covering. So either shave your head and be like the rebels, or have long hair in Corinth and symbolize your submission to God's order.

    What he's saying is that it's a shame and it's not right for a man to look like a woman and for a woman to look like a man. We see that in our society today. Women want to be equal. So many have tried to look like men and act like men. Some men want to be equal and they go through some changes to make themselves female.

    As to your other question, the woman should not be placed in a position of authority over the man in the church. That would be in violation of verse 3.
  • S Spencer - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    Amen Brother Jesse.

    And Paul is talking to "The Church "

    Galatians 3:28. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

    1 Corinthians 11:16. But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.

    God bless.
  • Jesse - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    Brother Spencer,

    Thanks. And with that, Paul was speaking to a very corrupt church.

    There's no other custom in any of the churches of God than what Paul just said right here. So Paul says if you want to be contentious, you're going against God!
  • Susanne - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    Thank you for your reply. According to the verses, a woman's hair is her glory; and if she is not covering her glory before god, then she is shamed and should have her head shaved.

    It is quite confusing to me, unless it is taken literally, but I can't believe that this can be so, although Muslin women keep their heads covered all the time, so maybe this is the way we are supposed to conduct ourselves.

    Nevertheless, verse 16 indicates that if we are in disagreement with this, we are not bound to follow it, as it is not God's law..............is this correct?
  • T. Levis - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    Vrs. Stated above = When she prays or prophesieth. Also 1 Corinthians 11:10

    Matthew 6:5-6
  • David - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    Hi Susanne Ernst Absolutely not Read 1 Corinthians 11:1-16 Pay attention to verse 16 is your answer. As long as our garments are in good taste God looks at and hears your heart.
  • Susanne Ernst - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    Thank you. I Corinthians 11-16 I understand to be saying that if a woman chooses not to cover their heads, it is not mandatory. However verses 5 & 6 seem to indicate something different. And it doesn't seem like Paul is saying that a woman's hair is considered a covering for her glory.

    What does Charles Stanley say?
  • Glenn - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    You are absolutely right,.. it has nothing to do with hair , or wearing a cover on your head , it means , keeping Christ in your mind !!! It's just that simple,..

    peace
  • Carleton - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    A few meditations on another covering besides the hair. Paul never mentions husband and wife in his writing on a woman's covering, he only speaks of "man" and "woman". The nature of a "man" often is selfish and yet "woman" was made from man. If a "woman" who has, like a "man" submitted herself to God by faith, has a visible sign of her faith to "man",would not the "man" whom she comes from feel more accountable to provide his covering of Jesus Christ as a blessing and safety to the "woman"?

    Then also, if a covering for a "woman" of faith conviction can be reasonably removed or added (separated from all other parts of being covered for modesty sake, thinking of both "man" and "woman") so when prayer is being considered or prayer service, her place in order is prepared by her own knowledge of preparation of a covering. This conviction then also causes the "man" to take notice of his current relationship with his head, Christ Jesus. Then another consideration is the world looking on. Perhaps a visible sign as a covering protects the "woman" when a Spirit led "man" is not present. When a Christian "woman" is with children, there also is covering of safety that stands out as peculiar amongst the unconverted and even as an an example to the children with the "woman".
  • Women's Head coverings in 2021 - In Reply on 2 Corinthians 4 - 3 years ago
    You'd have to go on his website and send a email through 'Contact Us' link.

    What is explained in the Bible was for Jewish women, and descendants of Abraham; I would think.



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