Bible Discussion Thread

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This message is to anyone reading this discussion. Beware of false teaching that goes against the Bible.

John 8:44

Satan is a liar and murderer. He is NOT good. The result of his actions and deeds are all bad. Beware of any lies you hear saying that good is bad and bad is good. Satan whispers lies in people's ear and they believe him and repeat it. Sometimes even Christians believe lies so they will be deceived into disobeying God, following the world instead of Jesus. Unfortunately there have been unbiblical ideas and falsehoods posted publicly that aren't from God, including on discussions like this.

God gave mankind freewill to choose good or evil. Many choose evil. God didn't do that, man did. God loved you enough to allow you to choose, even if you choose evil. He didn't make you a puppet or a robot- if He did, you would complain about that too. He allows sin to occur and that adversely affects innocent people. This life is very short. It's sad that some lives end sooner than expected, but all will be judged and face consequences for their actions in the end and have their opportunity for reward or punishment. 2 Corinthians 5:10.

It's right to stand up for Jesus, for God's Word, and truth in the face of attacks. We live in an era of lies and we all know who the father of lies is. Resist the devil and he will flee. Love the truth and pray for wisdom and understanding of scriptures. 2 Thessalonians 2:10

Well written brother Adam. We may not see eye-to-eye on everything (but then who does), but to your remarks, I agree. In fact, my perception of this type of reasoning of the Scriptures, is that Christians remain divided because some can only think in terms of God being the Creator, therefore He created all things, good or bad, & must happen because of Who He is. This is grossly erroneous as we change the Character of God to someone that no pen nor voice should ever describe or utter.

What we fail to take in as well (& rarely discussed), is the Foreknowledge of God. Could things happen, both good & bad, even righteous or sinful, that are permitted by God because of what He knows, rather than what He compels one to do? Is God pleased that sin is committed because He 'created Satan to lead man astray, thus fulfilling His purposes' OR, is God going to judge sinners sending them into eternal fire who choose to follow the words of Satan (who chose to rebel), rather than sinners choosing to listen to the Voice of God & turn to the Holy God, in Whom there is no sin? If God instigates man to sin to fulfil His purposes, what does this say of God's Character? Is this really the God of the Bible, in Whom you & I believe? May we "tremble in His Presence and at His Word". Blessings.

Thank you and I think you're giving too much credit to a fringe cult belief that very few believe and isn't supported by the Bible. One can only arrive at such creative interpretations through man's reasoning, not God's truth. Rather than read the Bible directly as truth it seems some try to come up with their own explanations for things first, then cherry pick whatever scripture that can be found to fit their belief. The red flag is someone trying to diminish the divinity of God, or to diminish the divinity of Jesus Christ, or lift up satan. It's amazing how sneaky and poisonous these false teachings are. Anytime someone does this it should sent the loudest sirens and emergency lights filling the air.

Most of the false teachings seem to come from logical fallacies and false assumptions. Some claim that since God is all-knowing, that we don't have choices or freewill, and that's an example of a false assumption. This starts with someone wanting to make sense of an all-knowing God, but in forming their belief end up throwing out many other scriptures that show that God clearly gave people freewill/choices to do good or evil and there's examples of God changing His mind. Is God not powerful enough to choose to live in the moment on our timeframe and change His mind if He wants? Of course He can. We must watch out for satan's lies and stand on guard with our armor on, as he is a pure evil being ready to devour us. 1 Peter 5:8

Hi Adam Most people can't understand or are blinded scripturally God is all powerful and all knowing but he also is the author of freedom of will and does not force his will on anyone or anything. The devil or satan is the one who wants to be like the most high only by manipulation, true God pure love false god lust of flesh product of his doing. All people have a choice either to do evil or good.

Thank you and Amen, brother.

Hi Earl Jesus christ always did and displayed the fathers will, in John 10:9 is the thief or adversaries will steal kill destroy, 1 John 3:8 they are opposites. The last enemy to be destroyed is death 1 Corinthians 15:54:55, also God is light and in God there is no darkness at all. God Bless that's all I have to share.

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Dear Earl , yes ! Man cannot bear to admit that his sinfullness is his own , we need to blame some one else for our faults and failings , WE die because WE sin . The Holy One of Israel is LORD of ALL creation . Job says : the Lord gave and the Lord has taken away , blessed be the name of the Lord . No where , apart from Genesis , does any one in the Bible Old or New blame some kind of supernatural monster for their own sinfullness . We have to accept responsibility for our own sinfullness . Why is that so hard for us . It's not hard for me , I know exactly who and what I am , and it's not good ! As Paul's says and I will paraphrase : if I manage to control my actions I will sin with my mouth , if I manage to keep my mouth from sinning then I think something sinful , that's me ! No one else but me . Adam even tried to implicate God in his own sinfullness ! The woman whom thou gavest me ! Blame blame blame . It wasn't my fault , you gave me this woman and she made me do it ! Blame blame blame .

Dear Sister Sasha,

After previously hearing that word flummoxed, I was really going to try to avoid this thread at all cost!

But, I really enjoyed your post so much, and I couldn't resist to say that some of us have cents, and others of us have common sense, and you have gobs of the later!

God Bless You!

I think we complicate things , and I include myself . We complicate things when we bring some one or thing into our relationship with God and Jesus . There is One God , then there is us and then there is a beautiful sinless mediator between God and us and that is our Sinless High Priest in Heaven Jesus Christ the Righteous . We need a mediator because we sin . God can't even look upon sin . How does an evil supernatural malevolent spirit stand in front of God and talk to Him as if they were well acquainted ? We mystify and confuse our own selves : is satan tempting me ? No , it's probably some thing you really want to do , you want to do it but you know you shouldn't . That's our flesh talking ,our physical or mental or emotional desires screaming to be satisfied . It's not satan tempting you when it's some thing that YOU WANT TO DO . We complicate things by ascribing a mystical power to make is do wrong things and then we compound our own sinfullness by not talking responsibility for it . Not me though . I know that it's me that wants an extra glass of wine , it's me that wants a flashy new frock that I don't actually need , it's me who gets angry too easy , it's me that feels too lazy to go and ask my neighbour if they need any shopping , it's me . Just me . Serving myself not God . That's what sin is .

His Sacha In the book of Genesis who does God blame for the downfall, Adam blamed God and said the woman God gave him God went to the woman and she said the serpent then God said to the serpent because thou hast done this. God knew who did it. Granted Adam and Eve gave in but if it were not for the adversaries I.E. the serpents influence I.E. temp tation deception lie, then the reason for the sin wouldn't be there. Also according to James 1:13 God can't be tempted neither tempt He any man. So we are the product of an action influenced by Gods arch enemy originally.

Oh Wow, brother Earl. Did I read correctly what you wrote? "I believe none of the spirits (including Satan) that God uses are evil". And given your belief in the non-existence of hell (as from other comments), I suppose I should have expected to read what I've just read here. So, there's no such thing as evil - just man or spirit performing God's Will, which may sometimes be construed as 'evil'. If I understand you correctly, I really don't know where to go from here - I remain totally flummoxed. I need a break to gather myself together. Thank you.

Brother Chris,

I think I might be flummoxed by that also. I first need to look that word up though!!!

Earl , I also believe this . Shall we receive good at the hand of God and shall we not receive evil ? In all this did not Job sin with his lips .