As a Christian, who happens to be a scientist and former university professor, I find the wisdom of God's Word profoundly inerrant. My personal ability to discern God's Word is less inerrant than I would wish.
I call out to my Christian Brothers and Sisters to provide input on how Christians should honor God with regard to being ordered to allow an unapproved, experimental gene-altering drug be injected into her/his person? As someone who is now 100% immune to the virus via natural immunity ( as I had the virus in February of 2020) I need not wrestle with this question. However, as a scientist I am increasingly asked (by family and associates) how Christians can explain to non-believers that we are called to a higher authority than Mr. Fauci.
Owing to devote prayer ( James 1:5) and God's grace in granting me thirty plus years of studying His Word - I empirically identify seven commands to resist fear and "be as wise as serpents" in following authentic science and not being emotionally stampeded.
Please provide your input so I may be better able to share truth. Thank you -
Hello Mr. Scientist! What scientific field do you study? I love science. It has always intrigued me.
I do not believe in vaccine mandates,(or any of the mandates we've had forced on us this past 18 months). They infringe on personal liberty, which is constitutionally a God given inalienable right.
I am not pro or anti vaccine. I think that God works in many ways. He may be working through this vaccine or not. Each person needs to prayerfully consider what is best for themselves. I trust God to do and allow what is best for me. Due to several high risk factors, I got vaccinated. I am not trusting the vaccine. I am trusting God. For me, if I had a cancer that was easily treated, I would take the treatment, which has many side effects , but I would weigh these out and do the treatment unless God checks me and says, do not. I feel the same about the vaccine. God allows many things to be manufactured/invented that are helpful to mankind, for the most part, (nothing is perfect). If I had not had a Caesarean section operation for my first child, he would have died in utero. Though surgical birth was not normal, normal birth was deadly in this instance. So, here we are with the vaccine. I believe that God can deliver me from all harm and turn anything meant for harm and turn it around for good,, just like He did with Joseph.
Others may decide not to be vaccinated. I am o.k. with that. Some, like you, have had covid, so do not need the vaccine. If you did not have complications from covid, you are probably good on catching it again when your immunity wears off. I just don't think we need to be overly fearful over a virus that is 99% survivable, but some need to be cautious, as 1% of the American population is 3.5 million people. My doctor said I most likely would be one of the 1%.
Hi John, what an excellent question. I'm very interested to watch the answers. I believe one of the intents of this pandemic and the shot is to set people against each other. Jesus paid the full price for our salvation and for unity. I think of third John 2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth. I believe the precious Spirit of God in you will give you the exact words each time ( Luke 21:14 & 15) and your knowledge and kindness will ad weight to the conversation. I was in a conversation lately and both of us us agreed that we will NOT comply with the shot, when a bystander jumped in accusing and ugly. The Spirit had me hold my tongue completely. I was reminded how the high priest used mob mentality to have our LORD crucified. Also the media and those that push it are doing a good job of inciting fear. 2Tim1:7. Our challenge is to stay sweet and trusting ( We have a great Savior who loves us and can handle everything) and give others space ( even to be wrong :)). Proverbs 15:1. God's blessing on this day. Oh I did suffer through the virus, God is good all of the time and has the best planned for us.
Alice, I support your right to refuse this. I think that preserving our God-given rights of free exercise of religious or ethical views is more important than forcing vaccinations upon the citizens of our country. I want each person to be free to choose for themselves whether to take the vaccine or not without coercion, ridicule, or disassociation, among believers especially.
I, myself have been vaccinated having had three years of flu in the years prior to covid and having serious asthmatic exacerbation from the flu virus. Respiratory viruses trigger my asthma and so, on top of the usual symptoms of a viral infection, I have narrowed airways, spasmotic throat closings where I cannot pass air in or out, and coughing for weeks and weeks. So, for me, it is prudent to get the vaccine. I am a senior citizen now and although I may live 20 more years or so, I am ready to die any day, knowing my Savior has redeemed me and has prepared a place for me upon my resurrection. I do not anyone to shun me for getting the vaccine. n't/.I don't want anyone to be hassled if they do
It sounds like you are saying , you disagree with the unseen evidence of the vaccine? It is a fact, that many who have received the vaccine are still getting sick. If anything, the message is , these medicine's are preventing the immunity of many who have gotten sick more than one time!
I am not a professor, or scientist, I do not know these things, nor, I probably will never know.
It is however my opinion, that all these things are coming out of more than one place. If you know the scriptures, the spirit will lead you into all truth! These are the beginnings of sorrow!
Unless man repents , his days will be short lived, even with or without a virus! If you are looking for answers from the church , you will find out that many will be deceived in the last days, that these deceptions will rise, even originating out of the church. So, Have faith and have it before God, looking unto Him for your answer and not unto man! He will guide you into all truth, He will show you things that many professors and scientist will never see . Faith in the risen Christ, His resurrection is the only salvation you and I need! He is the author and finisher of all things, including our faith!
Dear John Kleinschmidt its confusing. I'm sure that u will get some answers to the questions.
The ripple effects of the vacine, is nothing! Or one thing, if not you cant travel anymore.
Not take the vacsine, is alsow like nothing. It have nothing too do with belive. A scientist may belive on himself. Christian ppl belive in God. If we live or if we die that is nothing we are afraid for! I'll speak for my self, and saved ppl in Jesus Name. But i alsow belive that ppl who dont have give the whole heart to Jesus Christ is bonded with the devil. And can still feel fear. A person who have the Holy Ghost know the way too get out of all situations. God open a way for us too hit back the dark side, soo we can command darkness or the devil who try too raise, and distroy, back too the darkness, where they belong.
God is strong too give life or take life. Am happily too go home too heavens, ill longing for that all the time, all day and night. And pray, come soon Lord Jesus.
You questions sisters and brothers. I'll says too u. Belive in God in Jesus Holy Name and the Kingdom of Holy Ghost. And ask Him who is the King of Kings, and Lord of Lords.
John 1:46 And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see.
47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!
48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.
49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.
51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
Hi John , I've had coronavirus twice , at the end of April last year and in February of this year . So , having it in 2020 didn't stop me from catching it again this year . In 2020 it wasn't very bad at all , hubby was much more affected by it than me . This year we both had the same symptoms and felt really c - - p for 4 full weeks and then took another 3 weeks to slowly get better . I have a few underlying health problems , Sjogrens Syndrome and Menierres Disease , sorry if I've spelt them wrong . We are both in our mid fifties , slightly over weight but we both exercise very regularly and have done for most of our lives . We don't want to get vaccinated . Our only concern is for our relatives , both our Mums have bad chests , through smoking , are in their early seventies and probably wouldn't survive the virus . We would hate to infect them , we visit regularly but wear masks and keep our distance from them . Other than staying away from them completely what else can we do to make sure we don't infect them ? Any advice would be appreciated .
I am glad you recovered from covid both times. When I had influenza A in March of 2020, (I was tested for both flu and covid was positive for Inf. A negative for covid) I was sicker than I have ever been, down in bed with a fever, cough, breathing problems, chills, sweats, no appetite for a whole month. Had the anitviral flu meds, didn't help, had two rounds of antibiotic and two rounds of prednisone, didn't help improve. Took another month to be able to be up and eating and not flake out. Then it took another month until I felt normal again. So, knowing my risk, I stay home as much as I can. I do not visit many people, and if I do see a friend, we walk in a park, but it is only two of us. Our sons come over, and are all vaccinated. My mom is 88 and is not vaccinated. This is part of the reason I don't go out and about much so that I reduce the chances of bringing covid into her home.
I am not afraid, as I trust the Lord, but I am taking precautions out of love for my Mom and myself as well. In being home for the past 18 months, I have not had any respiratory infection. That is such a blessing. Prior to this I taught Kindergarten. The kiddos were sweet, but major germ factories. It was no longer a safe work situation for me and am thankful I could have a year of paid medical leave and now retire.
GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE} sound decisions - In Reply - 3 years ago
Precious friends, I would agree with the 'decision by conscience,' since God Does Give believers a 'sound mind!' 2 Timothy 1:7 As with my rule of 'Sound Doctrine' of studying ALL of The Scriptures, may the LORD help me 'Carefully Consider' ALL of the medical Evidence of Toxicity vs SAFETY of ALL of the 'clinical' trials of NEW experimental medicines (and pending lawsuits?), and the advice of my family's expert physician of what is or is not for us. Amen?
In my own family, we have not had the vaccine, but have all had the Covid, and are now 'immune.' Praise God For HIS GRACE on us!:
Hello Professor Romans 14 comes into mind when it comes to other believers because what you choose to do is according to individual believing, I'm not going to judge my brother or sister on that. With an unbeliever go the route you understand its experimental it was done to prevent a serious epidemic outbreak and will it effect them you don't know because they don't know. I'm a christian and I won't take it because I'm too compromised, but I wear a mask all the time and am careful who I associate with. My oldest son and his wife got the shot because they travel a lot and to a lot of other countries they don't let you in unless you can prove your vaccinated if your not the hurdles to get in are insane. They are both healthy and young and no after effects. Personally if I was healthier I would just ask God can I do this and it would be a yes or no. I figure if Gods going to tell me and I'm just a fellow believer why wouldn't he tell another believer. Prayer fully this helps.
Truly friends, in the Peaceable Kingdom of Christ the fear of man's devices good and bad are for a short time. Someday in Heaven we will understand the time of tribulations of the flesh an honor that seemed less than an one half hour of unpleasantness in comparison to eternity. If Christians properly believed in presence of the Kingdom of God in Peace now we would weather tribulations easier without partiality and with better wisdom from above. So instead we are searching for wisdom in this world trying to escape the Providence of God or worse take the Providence of God into our own hands. I would pray that you like many faithful brethren take or not take the vaccine according to your own conscience and use the results of which to show your peace and obedience to God and man instead of making a false image of the subject and accusing men whom are under the order of God whether they chose to be or not. Any man who is not dwelling in the fullness of God in Jesus Christ is a false man and an enemy to the faith. But we are called to refresh our enemies with the Testimony of Jesus Christ as an example. Can we not make the one half hour?
You asked a good question and one that sadly does not seem to even be publicly addressed by the government oppressors or the media. I know big pharma companies have big influence in the already corrupt health care industry and what is currently happening with the dangerous vaccines. In my experience, the side that is least transparent and pivots to avoid questions and scrutiny is the side that might be afraid of the truth getting out and likely the side in the wrong.
I noticed there's currently a lively discussion about this topic here:
Most I speak with believe the vaccine mandates are wrong. It usually takes 10 years of study for the approval process and this was rushed to market. What bothers me is how many people repeat 'it's safe', but it's clearly not safe to everyone, so is it honest to say that? And it's concerning how this is brushed aside as insignificant somehow, but if you put all the worst disasters combined in the US for example (shootings, floods, hurricanes, 9/11, bombings (not war), it still won't equal the amount of death that this vaccine has caused. Also ivermectin and HCQ were already known as effective a year and a half ago. I think the entire country of India is using it in mass, but those countries not using it with the highest vax rate also have the highest covid rate. And those with no lockdowns like Sweden (and Florida) don't have as much illness. Somehow no one questions this. God bless.
There are documented cases of fatal side effects from almost all the vaccines that humans have made. We balance this with the efficacy of their intended purposes.
Leave us not forget that as of this writing there are 783,174 deaths of Americans and over 5 million worldwide and the US has a long history of mandatory vaccines.
To your point: while flue vaccines have been used successfully for years, the annual vaccine that you take to protect against flu is a different vaccine every year. Flu mutates and there are different strains that become predominant every year, hence the need for a repeated re-vaccination. The acceptance of this by the masses is the only reason that this is a predominating method of protection. Even so there are significant deaths amongst the un-vaccinated and the vaccinated alike.
Look at the CDC's website about covid comorbidities and in fine print you see that only 5% of the deaths are from covid alone. Also, notice that the normal flu, pneumonia, heart disease, lung disease numbers are down. Why? Because they're counting them as covid. Why? Health providers so this to make more money through the Cares Act. Most people know the health care system in the US is corrupt and dishonest, so do you think the #1 best opportunity to make money they will suddenly become honest? Now, look at CDC covid vaccine deaths and read the fine print where they don't count the deaths as vaccinated deaths until 14 days after the injection. That is when most deaths from the vaccine occur though- which is tens of thousands of deaths, all 100% avoidable if they didn't take the injection. I believe they count the vaccinated deaths as unvaccinated covid deaths, furthering the narrative. Politicians make millions off pushing this and pharma companies getting filthy rich off selling the death injections.
Most people don't get covid, but the minority that does will survive it just fine with a healthy immune system, but some are so afraid that they have taken the vaccine and died, because they were so afraid of dying. Does that make sense to risk death to avoid death?
But none of these even matters for Christians, because we're supposed to honor God and follow His commands, including do not kill. Killing an unborn baby is murder. And taking their tissue and putting it in your body is immoral and a sin. The covid vaccine contains aborted baby tissue and that is evil. Even if it was 100% safe and no one ever died or was injured from it, which there have been nearly 1 million reported injuries from it just in the VAERS database in the US, but the aborted baby parts in it makes this a no brainer decision.
I call out to my Christian Brothers and Sisters to provide input on how Christians should honor God with regard to being ordered to allow an unapproved, experimental gene-altering drug be injected into her/his person? As someone who is now 100% immune to the virus via natural immunity ( as I had the virus in February of 2020) I need not wrestle with this question. However, as a scientist I am increasingly asked (by family and associates) how Christians can explain to non-believers that we are called to a higher authority than Mr. Fauci.
Owing to devote prayer ( James 1:5) and God's grace in granting me thirty plus years of studying His Word - I empirically identify seven commands to resist fear and "be as wise as serpents" in following authentic science and not being emotionally stampeded.
Please provide your input so I may be better able to share truth. Thank you -
I do not believe in vaccine mandates,(or any of the mandates we've had forced on us this past 18 months). They infringe on personal liberty, which is constitutionally a God given inalienable right.
I am not pro or anti vaccine. I think that God works in many ways. He may be working through this vaccine or not. Each person needs to prayerfully consider what is best for themselves. I trust God to do and allow what is best for me. Due to several high risk factors, I got vaccinated. I am not trusting the vaccine. I am trusting God. For me, if I had a cancer that was easily treated, I would take the treatment, which has many side effects , but I would weigh these out and do the treatment unless God checks me and says, do not. I feel the same about the vaccine. God allows many things to be manufactured/invented that are helpful to mankind, for the most part, (nothing is perfect). If I had not had a Caesarean section operation for my first child, he would have died in utero. Though surgical birth was not normal, normal birth was deadly in this instance. So, here we are with the vaccine. I believe that God can deliver me from all harm and turn anything meant for harm and turn it around for good,, just like He did with Joseph.
Others may decide not to be vaccinated. I am o.k. with that. Some, like you, have had covid, so do not need the vaccine. If you did not have complications from covid, you are probably good on catching it again when your immunity wears off. I just don't think we need to be overly fearful over a virus that is 99% survivable, but some need to be cautious, as 1% of the American population is 3.5 million people. My doctor said I most likely would be one of the 1%.
I, myself have been vaccinated having had three years of flu in the years prior to covid and having serious asthmatic exacerbation from the flu virus. Respiratory viruses trigger my asthma and so, on top of the usual symptoms of a viral infection, I have narrowed airways, spasmotic throat closings where I cannot pass air in or out, and coughing for weeks and weeks. So, for me, it is prudent to get the vaccine. I am a senior citizen now and although I may live 20 more years or so, I am ready to die any day, knowing my Savior has redeemed me and has prepared a place for me upon my resurrection. I do not anyone to shun me for getting the vaccine. n't/.I don't want anyone to be hassled if they do
I am not a professor, or scientist, I do not know these things, nor, I probably will never know.
It is however my opinion, that all these things are coming out of more than one place. If you know the scriptures, the spirit will lead you into all truth! These are the beginnings of sorrow!
Unless man repents , his days will be short lived, even with or without a virus! If you are looking for answers from the church , you will find out that many will be deceived in the last days, that these deceptions will rise, even originating out of the church. So, Have faith and have it before God, looking unto Him for your answer and not unto man! He will guide you into all truth, He will show you things that many professors and scientist will never see . Faith in the risen Christ, His resurrection is the only salvation you and I need! He is the author and finisher of all things, including our faith!
The ripple effects of the vacine, is nothing! Or one thing, if not you cant travel anymore.
Not take the vacsine, is alsow like nothing. It have nothing too do with belive. A scientist may belive on himself. Christian ppl belive in God. If we live or if we die that is nothing we are afraid for! I'll speak for my self, and saved ppl in Jesus Name. But i alsow belive that ppl who dont have give the whole heart to Jesus Christ is bonded with the devil. And can still feel fear. A person who have the Holy Ghost know the way too get out of all situations. God open a way for us too hit back the dark side, soo we can command darkness or the devil who try too raise, and distroy, back too the darkness, where they belong.
God is strong too give life or take life. Am happily too go home too heavens, ill longing for that all the time, all day and night. And pray, come soon Lord Jesus.
You questions sisters and brothers. I'll says too u. Belive in God in Jesus Holy Name and the Kingdom of Holy Ghost. And ask Him who is the King of Kings, and Lord of Lords.
John 1:46 And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see.
47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!
48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.
49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.
51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
God bless in Jesus.
I am glad you recovered from covid both times. When I had influenza A in March of 2020, (I was tested for both flu and covid was positive for Inf. A negative for covid) I was sicker than I have ever been, down in bed with a fever, cough, breathing problems, chills, sweats, no appetite for a whole month. Had the anitviral flu meds, didn't help, had two rounds of antibiotic and two rounds of prednisone, didn't help improve. Took another month to be able to be up and eating and not flake out. Then it took another month until I felt normal again. So, knowing my risk, I stay home as much as I can. I do not visit many people, and if I do see a friend, we walk in a park, but it is only two of us. Our sons come over, and are all vaccinated. My mom is 88 and is not vaccinated. This is part of the reason I don't go out and about much so that I reduce the chances of bringing covid into her home.
I am not afraid, as I trust the Lord, but I am taking precautions out of love for my Mom and myself as well. In being home for the past 18 months, I have not had any respiratory infection. That is such a blessing. Prior to this I taught Kindergarten. The kiddos were sweet, but major germ factories. It was no longer a safe work situation for me and am thankful I could have a year of paid medical leave and now retire.
In my own family, we have not had the vaccine, but have all had the Covid, and are now 'immune.' Praise God For HIS GRACE on us!:
God's GRACE in infirmities:
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Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified! ( 2 Timothy 2:15; Romans 16:25; Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, For ALL "to SEE, today?)
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You asked a good question and one that sadly does not seem to even be publicly addressed by the government oppressors or the media. I know big pharma companies have big influence in the already corrupt health care industry and what is currently happening with the dangerous vaccines. In my experience, the side that is least transparent and pivots to avoid questions and scrutiny is the side that might be afraid of the truth getting out and likely the side in the wrong.
I noticed there's currently a lively discussion about this topic here:
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And if I do an advanced search for 'vaccine' I find more discussions:
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Most I speak with believe the vaccine mandates are wrong. It usually takes 10 years of study for the approval process and this was rushed to market. What bothers me is how many people repeat 'it's safe', but it's clearly not safe to everyone, so is it honest to say that? And it's concerning how this is brushed aside as insignificant somehow, but if you put all the worst disasters combined in the US for example (shootings, floods, hurricanes, 9/11, bombings (not war), it still won't equal the amount of death that this vaccine has caused. Also ivermectin and HCQ were already known as effective a year and a half ago. I think the entire country of India is using it in mass, but those countries not using it with the highest vax rate also have the highest covid rate. And those with no lockdowns like Sweden (and Florida) don't have as much illness. Somehow no one questions this. God bless.
Leave us not forget that as of this writing there are 783,174 deaths of Americans and over 5 million worldwide and the US has a long history of mandatory vaccines.
To your point: while flue vaccines have been used successfully for years, the annual vaccine that you take to protect against flu is a different vaccine every year. Flu mutates and there are different strains that become predominant every year, hence the need for a repeated re-vaccination. The acceptance of this by the masses is the only reason that this is a predominating method of protection. Even so there are significant deaths amongst the un-vaccinated and the vaccinated alike.
Look at the CDC's website about covid comorbidities and in fine print you see that only 5% of the deaths are from covid alone. Also, notice that the normal flu, pneumonia, heart disease, lung disease numbers are down. Why? Because they're counting them as covid. Why? Health providers so this to make more money through the Cares Act. Most people know the health care system in the US is corrupt and dishonest, so do you think the #1 best opportunity to make money they will suddenly become honest? Now, look at CDC covid vaccine deaths and read the fine print where they don't count the deaths as vaccinated deaths until 14 days after the injection. That is when most deaths from the vaccine occur though- which is tens of thousands of deaths, all 100% avoidable if they didn't take the injection. I believe they count the vaccinated deaths as unvaccinated covid deaths, furthering the narrative. Politicians make millions off pushing this and pharma companies getting filthy rich off selling the death injections.
Most people don't get covid, but the minority that does will survive it just fine with a healthy immune system, but some are so afraid that they have taken the vaccine and died, because they were so afraid of dying. Does that make sense to risk death to avoid death?
But none of these even matters for Christians, because we're supposed to honor God and follow His commands, including do not kill. Killing an unborn baby is murder. And taking their tissue and putting it in your body is immoral and a sin. The covid vaccine contains aborted baby tissue and that is evil. Even if it was 100% safe and no one ever died or was injured from it, which there have been nearly 1 million reported injuries from it just in the VAERS database in the US, but the aborted baby parts in it makes this a no brainer decision.
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