Bible Discussion Thread

Is it possible Jobs seven children were never killed but rather a lying messenger from Satan was sent to Job to cause him to believe they were killed bringing about the same results of the test between God and Satan. This would explain why Job has all seven children mentioned at the end of the story. Also how he had double the blessings as at first. One half would be from what people restored onto Job to replace what they believed he had lost and the other half would be the original blessings he never lost but was only lied to that he had. Also Satan is the father of lies so why should we believe his messengers are telling the truth. The truth for Job is what Job believed even if its a lie. He would have all the physical responses like the boils caused by a weakened immune system from heavy stress of all the bad news even if non of it was true. There is no reason Job would have to loose his children and livelihood to accomplish the same test results. Truth is what people believe more so than what is. The best liars stick closet to the truth.

Hello James Carlson, that's powerful. People suffer much from lies & much from believing lies. Your comment, speaks deeper into devastating "news" heard, effects from it. With wisdom you were shown this, insightful. I think it was a revelation to you personally & others that have been devastated by lies. The toll it can take on a person. However I agree with Chris, I think I would go further to say I think many loving parents would immediately run to their children to make sure the news was correct, to care for them even in death, cover them & give a proper burial, ect. Job was beyond average as a Parent in that: Job 1:5. He was very concerned for them to be right with GOD, that he would make sacrifice on their behalf. Like Earl, Gi Gi, mentioned, pointing to GOD's bigger picture of GOD's atonement for us through Jesus. That's probably why Job is sometimes called prophetic book. Interesting I hadn't seen that beforehand. Gi Gi, & Sacha have the most perfect point that it is most significant whoes report we believe, in that GOD says nothing shall harm you by any means. Luke 10:19. Knowing all things will work together for good._.._ Romans 8:28-29, Even in disaster & disastrous moments when we believe GOD, HIS WORD, HIS report we will be much better off in every way. Hebrews 12:26-29, we should not be as; Luke 21:26

Didn't read all comments, hopefully this is encouraging. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts & intellectual insight.

Hi James.

I have heard it taught that his Job kids doubled as well. Apparently they were saved. you don't loose a love one if He/She is going to Heaven and so are you. as King David said about his baby " Someday I will go to Him! 2 Samuel 12:23.

Those seven is still his kids along with the seven mentioned in Job 42:13.

Giving him 14 in total, and he's probably with all 14 now.

God bless.

Spencer,

I think so, too. One of my favorite verses is from Job where, in the midst of his losses, he state: For I know that my Redeemer lives, And He shall stand at last on the earth. And after my skin is destroyed, this I know, that in my flesh I shall see God, Whom I shall see for myself, and my eyes shall behold, and not another. How my heart yearns

within me!

Job 19:25-27

We in Christ share this same resurrection hope.

Amen!! The resurrection of the body.

God bless.

Hi,

Interesting thought about Job's children not really having been killed. I do believe that they died. I think Job was able to father more children after this trial. But also, there may have been a resurrection of his children as the restoration.

Job Ch 2 , V 10 also John Ch 19 , V 11 . Job knows who is in charge of His own creation .

Brother James, If you STUDY the Book of Job as a prophecy of Christ and as a SHADOW of CHRIST it will began to make more sense.

Christ lost all his children: the natural Israel, but received more children when he birthed the TRUE Israel. (new covenant).

You will see the parallel with much STUDY, you can't just read and understand.

James What I gather or understand from Job is an example of the goodness of God and steal kill and destroy satan's only purpose also God wasn't being tried or tempted [ James 1:13 God can't be tempted neither tempt he any man ].

The word says in Job 3:25 for the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me and that which I was afraid of is come unto me. In job 1:4+5 jobs children were feasting with each other all the time and job believed they were doing wrong to he point they were cursing God in their harts thus did jobcontinuously. His fear was so great from constantly believing that His children were doing wrong that it opened the door for the adversary to move. Fear is the exact opposite of believing because it putsus in a state of mental paralyses.

That's an interesting theory, James. Is it conceivable that after Job lost his livestock & also his children, that it never occurred to him throughout the intervening period to check on whether he was lied to or whether it was factual? We're not told how long Job had suffered his great loss & the intervention of his 'friends' at his side, but it was at least 7 days to a more likely figure of a year or two. I would think he would have noticed some family & animals missing during that period. Do you not see that this is more probable?

Job knows exactly who his misfortune is from Job Ch 2 , V 10 . Also John Ch 19 , V 11 .