Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. "Born of water" This has nothing to do with baptism by water. If this baptism have anything to do with this section of scripture it would be in verse 6 where Jesus says "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirt. Romans 6:4. The water mentioned here I believe is the word of God!
John 17:17. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. " The cleansing sanctifying power of the word!"
John 15:3. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Hebrews 4:12. The word is alive!! A person must be born again by the use of the scripture and its the Holyspirit taking the scripture and using it. I've heard it put like this, You have Spirit of God using the word of God through the man of God.
Verse 11: Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We "SPEAK" that we do know, and "TESTIFY" that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
It takes the spirit of God to be obedient to the word of God. It takes the spirit of God to receive the word of God. And it take the word of God to receive the spirit of God through baptism of the Holyspirit.
I haven't heard one person on this site said they wasn't baptized, So why quarrel about obedience in that regard? But many of us say it wasn't to add to what Christ done on the cross. Is that disobedience? If you believe keeping some ritual or commandments is your way to salvation, What does the cross mean to you? Christ wasn't sacrificed "JUST IN CASE YOU FALL SHORT" He was sacrificed because you couldn't. He paid the penalty BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL READY GUILTY.
I appreciate your response. Regarding John 3:5 You state: "Born of water - this has nothing to do with baptism by water."
It reads clear to me that Jesus is saying in John 3:5 we must be reborn/baptized with water and receive the Holy Spirit. The water and Spirit go together - can't separate these two! Jesus stated these two (Water/Spirit) together for a reason.
I believe baptism in water is NOT an optional part of salvation, but is the act that initiates our salvation Romans 6:1-6
Galatians 3:26-27 and leads to the forgiveness of sins.
Lastly, I believe that we are saved today, the same way people have been saved since the day of Pentecost Acts 2:38
No quarrel here, just quoting scripture, and my current understanding and belief regarding baptism. Currently, you have not quoted any scripture that would change my mind about this requirement.
Thanks for your reply. Sorry for such a late reply.
You mentioned John 3:5. Romans 6:1-6. Galatians 3:26-27. and Acts 2:38. The only verse of the 4 mentioned that has anything to do with water baptism is Acts 2:38. and you apply it wrong when you use it as proof of an requirement for salvation. Peter is talking to Jews who had the word of God who had a God given religion, who knew the prophesies concerning a messiah. But they trusted in the Law that couldn't regenerate a soul.
"The law was their schoolmaster" Galatians 3:24. They are to turn around and come Gods way. John the Baptist was the forerunner for this message preaching the baptism of repentance "TO THE JEWS".
The old covenant they offered up sacrifices that couldn't save but pointed to the Lamb of God.
Here they're asked to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. Water Baptism would be the evidence that "THEY" had repented, That they had come to Christ and put their trust in Him! Rather than bring a sacrifice to be offered.
As the sacrifices was a "foreshadowing' of Christ, Water baptism "Demonstrates" the Death and resurrection, In that demonstration THERE'S NO QUIKENING INVOLVED HERE! Only when we believed, Christ died We died!
That brings us to these other verses you mentioned. Galatians 3:26-28. and Romans 6:1-6. Have you noticed the phrase "BAPTIZED INTO" in Romans and Galatians? This speaks of the work of the Holyspirit to those who "TRULY" believed! they have been put into the body of believers.
After this occurs We should be barring fruit and have great concern there, Because that is something you cant produce on your own! This happens only "IF" you have been truly put in Christ. IDENTIFIED with his Death and resurrection. "The Baptism of the Holyspirit". you inherit the promise of Abraham. Galatians 3:18-29.
That is the context of the verses you have given.
These verses describes the work of the cross and true profession.
Hello S Spenser . I have definately heard more than one say that they are not baptized and more than one give a lengthy exposition on why they think it's not required . I'm not naming names , sorry if you think that's a cop out , I know who they are , they know who they are and you will know also if you dig long and deep enough . They have the choice , I accept that totally but to tell others that it's ok not to is a serious thing to me .
My view on John 3:5.
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. "Born of water" This has nothing to do with baptism by water. If this baptism have anything to do with this section of scripture it would be in verse 6 where Jesus says "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirt. Romans 6:4. The water mentioned here I believe is the word of God!
John 17:17. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. " The cleansing sanctifying power of the word!"
John 15:3. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Hebrews 4:12. The word is alive!! A person must be born again by the use of the scripture and its the Holyspirit taking the scripture and using it. I've heard it put like this, You have Spirit of God using the word of God through the man of God.
Verse 11: Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We "SPEAK" that we do know, and "TESTIFY" that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
It takes the spirit of God to be obedient to the word of God. It takes the spirit of God to receive the word of God. And it take the word of God to receive the spirit of God through baptism of the Holyspirit.
I haven't heard one person on this site said they wasn't baptized, So why quarrel about obedience in that regard? But many of us say it wasn't to add to what Christ done on the cross. Is that disobedience? If you believe keeping some ritual or commandments is your way to salvation, What does the cross mean to you? Christ wasn't sacrificed "JUST IN CASE YOU FALL SHORT" He was sacrificed because you couldn't. He paid the penalty BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL READY GUILTY.
God bless.
I appreciate your response. Regarding John 3:5 You state: "Born of water - this has nothing to do with baptism by water."
It reads clear to me that Jesus is saying in John 3:5 we must be reborn/baptized with water and receive the Holy Spirit. The water and Spirit go together - can't separate these two! Jesus stated these two (Water/Spirit) together for a reason.
I believe baptism in water is NOT an optional part of salvation, but is the act that initiates our salvation Romans 6:1-6
Galatians 3:26-27 and leads to the forgiveness of sins.
Lastly, I believe that we are saved today, the same way people have been saved since the day of Pentecost Acts 2:38
No quarrel here, just quoting scripture, and my current understanding and belief regarding baptism. Currently, you have not quoted any scripture that would change my mind about this requirement.
God Bless.
Thanks for your reply. Sorry for such a late reply.
You mentioned John 3:5. Romans 6:1-6. Galatians 3:26-27. and Acts 2:38. The only verse of the 4 mentioned that has anything to do with water baptism is Acts 2:38. and you apply it wrong when you use it as proof of an requirement for salvation. Peter is talking to Jews who had the word of God who had a God given religion, who knew the prophesies concerning a messiah. But they trusted in the Law that couldn't regenerate a soul.
"The law was their schoolmaster" Galatians 3:24. They are to turn around and come Gods way. John the Baptist was the forerunner for this message preaching the baptism of repentance "TO THE JEWS".
The old covenant they offered up sacrifices that couldn't save but pointed to the Lamb of God.
Here they're asked to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. Water Baptism would be the evidence that "THEY" had repented, That they had come to Christ and put their trust in Him! Rather than bring a sacrifice to be offered.
As the sacrifices was a "foreshadowing' of Christ, Water baptism "Demonstrates" the Death and resurrection, In that demonstration THERE'S NO QUIKENING INVOLVED HERE! Only when we believed, Christ died We died!
That brings us to these other verses you mentioned. Galatians 3:26-28. and Romans 6:1-6. Have you noticed the phrase "BAPTIZED INTO" in Romans and Galatians? This speaks of the work of the Holyspirit to those who "TRULY" believed! they have been put into the body of believers.
After this occurs We should be barring fruit and have great concern there, Because that is something you cant produce on your own! This happens only "IF" you have been truly put in Christ. IDENTIFIED with his Death and resurrection. "The Baptism of the Holyspirit". you inherit the promise of Abraham. Galatians 3:18-29.
That is the context of the verses you have given.
These verses describes the work of the cross and true profession.
God bless.
Thanks for the reply.
God bless.
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