Revelation 22:14-15. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Have you noticed in the conclusion of all things? The judgement and fire have past and the redeemed inside the gate and sinners left out?
"So much for fire refining the sinner and all people going to heaven."
If that don't do it here's another verse in the same chapter.
verse :11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
In the conclusion here I don't see everyone being refined by fire and going to heaven!
The verses you have given doesn't settle the question. Where's the scripture where everyone goes to heaven, Some with glorified bodies Some with early bodies?
Who's those left without the Gate in Revelation 22:15. ?
The resurrection has already past.
And Who is the unjust that will remain in Revelation 22:11. ?
The Resurrection has already past.
Here's the Redeemed. As well as the verses you have given.
" Revelation 20:4-6. "...
..6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: ON SUCH THE SECOND DEATH HATH NO POWER, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Here's the Lost. "Twice Dead "
Revelation 20:11-14. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. THIS IS THE SECOND DEATH.
You know for a person that once said that one can't just read the scripture for truth or Bible dictionaries ect.. You sure post a lot of Scripture.
WHO'S THOSE LEFT WITHOUT THE GATE AND REMAIN UNJUST After the Resurrection and Judgements?
Brother S Spencer, I said most of the nouns in Revelation are signified and don't carry the definition assigned that noun by a dictionary, you most definitely have to use ALL the scriptures in God's word to understand the signified definition.
The moon turned to blood. The moon signifies Christ, not a literal body, in the literal sky, that reflects the light of the literal sun.
Brother S Spencer, New Jerusalem is not a Literal city, but a city whose houses are men, Son's of God, just like Christ. ( Hebrews 3:6) As all things were given to him by the Father, we are given all things by Christ, POWER to rule the nations. AS Moses was made a god over Pharaoh ( Exodus 7:1) the ELECT are going to be made gods over the nations, and the nations want be able to STAY THEIR HANDS.
In Ezekiel 38 this is describing the second resurrection.
In Revelation when John is describing the city (new Jerusalem) the talks about the walls of the city.
In out parts of prophecy it says our walls are salvation.
In Ezekiel 38:11 When Gog comes against the elect, it says UNWALLED villages.
Revelation 20:7 After the thousand years, flesh is released out of prison, death and the grave, the bottomless pit, and they come against the ELECT. But the Elect brings down the FIRE of the LORD on them. The stubble in the is BURNED UP.
All the scriptures you ever presented doesn't reflect those views.
I am not asking you to interpret anything.
I'm asking you to show me the scriptures you draw your belief from when you said, "Pasting your Quote"
( Brother S Spencer, May I add three more scriptures to 1 Corinthians 3:14 -15 that helps clarify it.
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was NOT FOUND WRITTEN in the book of life was.)
End Quote.
You associated the refining fire mentioned in 1 Corinthians 3:14-15. with the Lake of fire in Revelation 20:15. According to your belief this is a refining fire and everyone will be resurrected. Some with Glorified bodies and some with Earthly bodies.
I'm saying if that is so who's those left without the Gate inRevelation 22:15.
with the resurrection being already passed
And Who is the unjust that will remain unjust Revelation 22:11. with the Resurrection being already passed?
Brother S Spencer, The holy city is the ELECT, those in Revelation 22:14, those outside the gate of the city, are the ones resurrected back to their earthly flesh, those described in Revelation 22:15.
Brother S Spencer, I don't know whether you believe the ELECT are going to judge the world. If we have that common ground, we can build from there. No one but the ELECT, as you say, go to heaven, everyone and everything else will happen ON EARTH, after the world, from adam forward, are raised back to earthly flesh.
And death an hell were cast into the lake of fire.
What is accomplished by hell being cast into hell.
But if the Greek word Hades had been translated GRAVE like it was in 1 Corinthians 15:55.
Now death and the grave are cast into the lake of fire. Which is the second death.
"No one but the ELECT, as you say, go to heaven, everyone and everything else will happen ON EARTH, after the world, from adam forward, are raised back to earthly flesh. ??? I Never said that.
If After the Judgment and resurrection all will be saved. Some with Heavenly bodies Some with Earthly bodies.
Who's those left without the Gate inRevelation 22:15. ?
The resurrection has already past.
And Who is the unjust that will remain unjust in Revelation 22:11. ?
We know All of Revelation is not in sequence but most is.
But the sequences in Revelation 22 comes after the sequences in Revelation 20!!
Here's why.
Revelation 22:3-7, 10-11. And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
AND HE SAITH UNTO ME, SEAL NOT THE SAYINGS OF THE PROPHECY OF THIS BOOK: FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND.
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
You see what happens when you symbolize ALL the scriptures?
When you do away with ALL the literal you have no ROCK to stand on!!
When the scripture is not allowed to say what it says you can't research them. The scripture needs to be taken/seriously first and if it's a symbol that symbol is explained elsewhere in scripture in literal form.
If you take the whole counsel of God it presents a narrow path and a message that is in harmony with foundation laid.
We must be careful heresies started creeping in the Church in Paul and John's Day. These same Debates we're having today was Debated in the first Century.
Certain terms were defined differently. They wrote about what they believed but isn't to be considered inspired.
We have to take what we have as scripture as inspired.
Your thinking makes so much sense. I do think that Bible aids like handbooks, commentaries, etc. are given to us by the Lord for use to understand His Word better. I think , that one person, thinking that they can learn all they need to know from just the Bible and to interpret it accurately neglects what God has taught other believers through the ages. I prefer to take a humble and appreciative approach and believe that there are so many people I can learn from, since we are all being taught by the same Spirit. However, sometimes, our own thinking gets in the way, and that is our Scripture gets twisted, rephrased to the point of changing the meaning of the text, interpreted in ways that lead to error and heresy. None of us is so spiritual that this is not a possibility. So, thanks for your wisdom and for sharing it!
Revelation 22:14-15 Blessed are they (the ELECT). They have become Son's of God, to judge the earth.
For WITHOUT are those raised back in the flesh to be judged.
This judgement is happening on earth after the second resurrection (Could take a thousand years or more, this is hinted at in the prophets).
Revelation 5:10 And hath made us unto our God kings and priest to REIGN ON EARTH.
Revelation 2:26 An he that overcometh, and keepeth MY WORKS unto the end, will I GIVE POWER over the nations: (that are raised back to earthy flesh to be judged)
Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule (JUDGE) them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter they shall be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father ( Psalms 2:8-10).
Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be (lake of) A FIRE, and the the house of Joseph A FLAME ( Luke 16:24), and the house of Esau as STUBBLE, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.
Obadiah 1:21 And SAVIOURS (Christ and his brothers the SON'S OF GOD) shall come upon mount Zion to JUDGE the house of Esau, and the Kingdom (ON EARTH) shall be the LORD'S.
Jeremiah 51:19-23
Only the elect will have a glorified body at this time, all other will still have earthly bodies.
:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Have you noticed in the conclusion of all things? The judgement and fire have past and the redeemed inside the gate and sinners left out?
"So much for fire refining the sinner and all people going to heaven."
If that don't do it here's another verse in the same chapter.
verse :11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
In the conclusion here I don't see everyone being refined by fire and going to heaven!
The verses you have given doesn't settle the question. Where's the scripture where everyone goes to heaven, Some with glorified bodies Some with early bodies?
Who's those left without the Gate in Revelation 22:15. ?
The resurrection has already past.
And Who is the unjust that will remain in Revelation 22:11. ?
The Resurrection has already past.
Here's the Redeemed. As well as the verses you have given.
" Revelation 20:4-6. "...
..6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: ON SUCH THE SECOND DEATH HATH NO POWER, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Here's the Lost. "Twice Dead "
Revelation 20:11-14. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. THIS IS THE SECOND DEATH.
You know for a person that once said that one can't just read the scripture for truth or Bible dictionaries ect.. You sure post a lot of Scripture.
WHO'S THOSE LEFT WITHOUT THE GATE AND REMAIN UNJUST After the Resurrection and Judgements?
The moon turned to blood. The moon signifies Christ, not a literal body, in the literal sky, that reflects the light of the literal sun.
Revelation 9:10 ..... Luke 10:19
God Bless You.
In Ezekiel 38 this is describing the second resurrection.
In Revelation when John is describing the city (new Jerusalem) the talks about the walls of the city.
In out parts of prophecy it says our walls are salvation.
In Ezekiel 38:11 When Gog comes against the elect, it says UNWALLED villages.
Revelation 20:7 After the thousand years, flesh is released out of prison, death and the grave, the bottomless pit, and they come against the ELECT. But the Elect brings down the FIRE of the LORD on them. The stubble in the is BURNED UP.
I have heard Your logic, and your views,
All the scriptures you ever presented doesn't reflect those views.
I am not asking you to interpret anything.
I'm asking you to show me the scriptures you draw your belief from when you said, "Pasting your Quote"
( Brother S Spencer, May I add three more scriptures to 1 Corinthians 3:14 -15 that helps clarify it.
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was NOT FOUND WRITTEN in the book of life was.)
End Quote.
You associated the refining fire mentioned in 1 Corinthians 3:14-15. with the Lake of fire in Revelation 20:15. According to your belief this is a refining fire and everyone will be resurrected. Some with Glorified bodies and some with Earthly bodies.
I'm saying if that is so who's those left without the Gate inRevelation 22:15.
with the resurrection being already passed
And Who is the unjust that will remain unjust Revelation 22:11. with the Resurrection being already passed?
Who are they!?
And death an hell were cast into the lake of fire.
What is accomplished by hell being cast into hell.
But if the Greek word Hades had been translated GRAVE like it was in 1 Corinthians 15:55.
Now death and the grave are cast into the lake of fire. Which is the second death.
I'm not following you, You're loosing me here!
Quoting you-
"No one but the ELECT, as you say, go to heaven, everyone and everything else will happen ON EARTH, after the world, from adam forward, are raised back to earthly flesh. ??? I Never said that.
If After the Judgment and resurrection all will be saved. Some with Heavenly bodies Some with Earthly bodies.
Who's those left without the Gate inRevelation 22:15. ?
The resurrection has already past.
And Who is the unjust that will remain unjust in Revelation 22:11. ?
The Resurrection has already past.
Revelation isn't in order as 1-2-3, but goes back and forth between different events.
Study a little close, John is being shown what is going to happen, not what has already happened.
Revelation 22:10 ...for the time is at hand, it had not already happened.
Revelation 22:12 Jesus hasn't come yet, to judge the world.
We know All of Revelation is not in sequence but most is.
But the sequences in Revelation 22 comes after the sequences in Revelation 20!!
Here's why.
Revelation 22:3-7, 10-11. And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.
AND HE SAITH UNTO ME, SEAL NOT THE SAYINGS OF THE PROPHECY OF THIS BOOK: FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND.
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
You see what happens when you symbolize ALL the scriptures?
When you do away with ALL the literal you have no ROCK to stand on!!
When the scripture is not allowed to say what it says you can't research them. The scripture needs to be taken/seriously first and if it's a symbol that symbol is explained elsewhere in scripture in literal form.
If you take the whole counsel of God it presents a narrow path and a message that is in harmony with foundation laid.
We must be careful heresies started creeping in the Church in Paul and John's Day. These same Debates we're having today was Debated in the first Century.
Certain terms were defined differently. They wrote about what they believed but isn't to be considered inspired.
We have to take what we have as scripture as inspired.
God bless.
This STUDY is something that takes lots of time and a lot of Holy Spirit HELP.
Good night.
God bless.
Your thinking makes so much sense. I do think that Bible aids like handbooks, commentaries, etc. are given to us by the Lord for use to understand His Word better. I think , that one person, thinking that they can learn all they need to know from just the Bible and to interpret it accurately neglects what God has taught other believers through the ages. I prefer to take a humble and appreciative approach and believe that there are so many people I can learn from, since we are all being taught by the same Spirit. However, sometimes, our own thinking gets in the way, and that is our Scripture gets twisted, rephrased to the point of changing the meaning of the text, interpreted in ways that lead to error and heresy. None of us is so spiritual that this is not a possibility. So, thanks for your wisdom and for sharing it!
Revelation 22:14-15 Blessed are they (the ELECT). They have become Son's of God, to judge the earth.
For WITHOUT are those raised back in the flesh to be judged.
This judgement is happening on earth after the second resurrection (Could take a thousand years or more, this is hinted at in the prophets).
Revelation 5:10 And hath made us unto our God kings and priest to REIGN ON EARTH.
Revelation 2:26 An he that overcometh, and keepeth MY WORKS unto the end, will I GIVE POWER over the nations: (that are raised back to earthy flesh to be judged)
Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule (JUDGE) them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter they shall be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father ( Psalms 2:8-10).
Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be (lake of) A FIRE, and the the house of Joseph A FLAME ( Luke 16:24), and the house of Esau as STUBBLE, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.
Obadiah 1:21 And SAVIOURS (Christ and his brothers the SON'S OF GOD) shall come upon mount Zion to JUDGE the house of Esau, and the Kingdom (ON EARTH) shall be the LORD'S.
Jeremiah 51:19-23
Only the elect will have a glorified body at this time, all other will still have earthly bodies.
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