Bible Discussion Thread

Did you ever wondered if the Devil was out to kill us, Why didn't he just kill Adam and Eve? Then he would have laid the axe at the root of all Mankind.

He's a deceiver.

When he Deceived them He took Dominion.

The Devil is in the Business of Mankind Desciples of his own. The Devil wanted Gods Glory and so do his Children.

Pride is What's a attribute of Satan and our flesh.

I believe Jude has a lot to say about this

I believe this is the context of Jude 1:7-13. Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, DESPISE DOMINION, AND SPEAK EVIL OF DIGNITIES.

Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

BUT THESE SPEAK EVIL OF THOSE THINGS WHICH THEY KNOW NOT: BUT WHAT THEY KNOW NATURALLY, AS BRUTE BEASTS, IN THOSE THINGS THEY CORRUPT THEMSELVES.

Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

Ephesians 6:11. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the ( WILES )of the devil.

Ephesians 6:12-13.

We're not given this Armor to March forward. It's so we will be able to Stand.

We don't present ourselves as brute beasts.

Paul says when I am weak I'm strong.

2 Corinthians 12:7-10.

The strength is not U

The strength is he that is in U.

Gigi, when I believed (Yom Kippur 1985) I was an astrologer giving an interpretation To a friend; a backslid Methodist. I'm gonna leave out details due to space. She sat in the floor folding clothes. It was like her face was folded over and I saw the Lord on a white horse in the clouds. He was looking right into my eyes. I went into shock. Debbie got spooked at my expression and left. The Bible said that people who do occult are under a sentence of death. I wanted to Live. Hell appeared in the floor. I stood on a chair and became convinced a hand was extended to me from the ceiling. I took it. If you go right into evangelism, Satan sends his scariest goons to scare you and make you stop. It just made me mad. He thought I'd cave, but I just got deeper into the life of Jesus. I ain't going back! I asked the Holy Spirit to give me the gift of: discerning of spirits. And He did. You can discern between human, Divine and demonic. It has saved my life more than once. I was given the word of Wisdom. The Holy Spirit chooses what we need. Consuming Bible builds up our most Holy Faith.

I gave a friends friend a ride home from church. On the way, he starts hissing and twisting. The HS says keep you eyes on me. The guy pulls out a butcher knife; I speed up. I dropped him off and was able to breathe again. He had a python spirit (demon).

Point is, I think people in ministry need to ask the Holy Spirit for the best gifts for them. Learn what each one does. He's in control and he will teach us what we need to say or do. It is NEVER for to give us fame or glory. The gifts glorify God. The anointing will leave if it becomes about and Not Jesus. Isaiah 61.

So ask for the best gifts for your life and ministry.

Deepen your relationship with Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Worship and Praise the Father. There is no limitation on LOVE. One tip: angels love praise or scripture music :D make your home a sanctuary.

We Do, We put it on.

With it we're well equipped.

If we think we can do anything more than that, We're taking it off!!

We would fail like Peter did when the Desciples were absent of the Holyspirit.

Redemption has been settled on the cross.

The Armor is to do exactly what it says it does.

Ephesians 6:11. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may BE ABLE TO STAND AGAINST THE " WILES " ( Schemes )OF THE DEVIL.

Satan doesn't come to you as a wolf! He comes to you as a wolf in SHEEP'S CLOTHING.

Satan is subtil. That's how he approached Eve. " Now the serpent was more " SUBTIL " than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. Genesis 3:1."

But the Lords sheep don't hear his voice!!

Jesus is the chief shepherd and those who shepherd his flock will show the fruit of the Spirit not the works of the flesh.

"No coveting the glory in Christ victory"

When someone is in the Spirit they want speak much of themselves, They will speak of the Work of Christ on the Cross.

Worshipping in truth and in Spirit is CAUSED by the Holyspirit.

Here's the only weapon we have, The word of God!!

And it's not given to you to use to bind Demons!!

It's given to you to minister the gospel and "IT" will divide asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, I believe That happens when you are QUICKENED by it..

Our flesh is also our enemy. The flesh can become super sensual when ministering in the flesh and lacking the spirit.

I'm Sorry but we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

1 John 4:4. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

God bless

Mishael,

So, I have not had struggles like you mention concerning interference from evil spirits. That must be someone wearying, being ever watchful. Your words remind me to pray more for others who are going trough such tough times.

The last think I wanted to mention is that I think that Jesus came to earth not just to get back what we lost in wit Adam and Eve, but to redeem a people to Himself transformed to spend eternity with Him. Adam and Eve were innocent in the garden but they were not fully redeemed. They did not have their heavenly bodies nor had their spirits been reborn.

Therefore, I believe that the plan of God for man was to be culminated at the end of time, where those wo are His receive the fullness of our salvation, and those that are not His are judged to hell. I think that the state of innocent Adam and Eve in the garden was the end game of His plan. He always had a higher state of existence in mind for te redeemed of mankind before all time began. Just some food for thought.

I agree, we are told to stand against the enemy in our armor and to resist him.

Satan was a created being of archangel rank. 4th in line to the throne. He coveted Gods praise and worship. Michael threw him to the earth on Gods command.

Satan inhabited a serpents body, because he didn't have a human body. He wasn't human.

Satan and demons seek bodies to inhabit.

Jesus came to earth and took on flesh; a human body by being born through Mary.

Jesus came to get back what Adam lost to Satan. Authority.

Jesus got back Dominion, Power and ALL Authority "He crushed satans head", on the Cross. Power in the Blood.

Jesus gives it to us. We live minimalist if we don't discover what Jesus gives us when we are born again into the Kingdom.

Jesus equips us with all he has and given us the Armor, Ephesians 6.

Why don't we use it?

Mishael A believer is not going to use what they don't believe, I also have had encounters of the nature of which you speak, but I don't discuss much because its not believed. That being said you are correct this is spiritual warfare

that's why we wrestle not against flesh and blood, it is a spiritual battle and we conquer with It Is Written in Love.

We Love people with the Love of God we despise the influence of the enemy, I have fellow believers who have been delivered out of the occult that as the word says blinded by the God of this world. Your comments are a

reminder this is not a game it is Life or Death. Also I believe its one of the things taking down the U.S., only behind closed doors. We believers do stand in the spiritual gap so to speak.

Rick and Mishael,

It is very evident that evil spirits are active in our sphere of existence. The Incarnate Word, Jesus, took them on in His authority as God when they manifested in "broad daylight" before many people. They didn't just begin to work evil in the world during Jesus' time on earth. They did this work from the beginning. And they did not stop working evil when Jesus died and rose and ascended. They have continued working evil to this day. A lot is done in "secret" when people participate in occult practices. But in foreign countries such as Africa and Asia, they do manifest openly in people they are torturing.

They constantly war against God, believers, and the witness of the Church. Perhaps we have been lulled by the ease of life and protection here in the U.S. to not pay attention to these evil entities. But they are paying attention to us, whether we are aware of it or not. We can hide ourselves in Christ and be equipped for the task of interceding for others, speaking God's Word to repel evil spirits, and walking in obedience to Christ.

I appreciate your perspectives, as I have had just a few experiences where I knew I was dealing with something evil within a person I was interacting with. I am thankful it is not an everyday occurrence. But for some, it is a daily battle. May we keep these people in our prayers, whether we know them by name or not. The Spirit will help us in intecessory prayer, praying in and through us.

Gigi This is not a subject I focus on or discuss much because I really don't think about evil until I'm presented

with a situation then ask the father whats going on and what to do. I endeavor to focus on the Gospel.

Rick, I agree.

I was just responding to the topic of this thread. Focusing on the goodness of God and His provision for us in the gospel of Jesus is so worthy of our attention. It brings us such joy! But I think it is wise to be aware that evil influences do cause people confusion, terror, and harm and be willing to pray and stand against these things when God calls us to do so.

Have a wonderful day, Rick.

I used to think demons were invisible till I learned hard lessons that people go to seances, play quija boards attend witch covens, sacrifice pets. Ugh

Then a guy with a python spirit (I found that out later), squirmed like a snake and pulled a 10inch knife out of his shirt and hissed. His girlfriend took her new boyfriend to church & asked me to take him to his apt because he was all "upset."

I went through a lot of weird stuff. I felt better when Jeff Fenholt who got saved (was Black Sabbath's lead singer) told his testimony of what he went through. He's in ministry now. I decided I was going to learn Ephesians 6, and how to be an overcomer in Christ. That's a long time back.

I'd rather lift up Jesus than speak on those things. Hardly anyone thinks that the causes of depression and suicide can be caused by something other than bad government and fear of the future.

I'll be back later.

Mishael,

I agree that Satan and his evil spirits are at work in the world since the beginning of mankind. As, I stated to Spencer, I agree we are called to stand in our armor against him and to resist him. I trust that God has encompassed believes with angels that are warriors for us against these powers. I also think that we can demand tat these evil spirits let go of, leave, and stop, what they are doing in our lives, homes, and with those we know and love. We can speak to these powers in Jesus' name and announce to them that they have been defeated already by Jesus, the King of Kings and Lord or Lords. We can take every thought captive to God's word and practice rejecting thoughts that are not godly from our minds with the power that the Holy Spirit strengthens us with.

It sounds like (from what I have read on your posts) that you were involved in occultic things. Perhaps these spirits continue hard to get someone back who left these things. I have not ever been interested in occultic things. Growing up, I hated scary movies that had evil depictions. I hated anything that the bible said was sorcery or witchcraft. I always had a check in my spirit when in a situation that is just not right. I sense the spiritual evil in my spirit and I either have prayed, if I cannot get away, or leave right away.

One time I was leading an outing with my sons and their friends from church. We were participating in our own "lane", minding our own business, when a group of 20 somethings showed up, cussing and such, and acting perverted wit one another. I sensed it right away, and backed up just a bit and bowed my head, closed my eyes and prayed for a minute or so. When I opened my eyes, they were gone! They had relocated to a totally different part of the facility!

I was not one to want to push up to the line of the forbidden. I was what most would term, "compliant child", and happily so. Though have been a sinner all my life, I hated this about me. I was not very rebellious.