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Harry states: "Then I shall have received eternal life in all its fullness, spirit, soul, and body, entirely conformed to Christ. In that sense I am hoping for eternal life" My comment: Yes, I agree we are all hoping for eternal life/salvation - we do not have it until the final judgement.
Harry:"But over and over and over again, Scripture rings the changes on the fact that every believer is at the present time in possession of eternal life." My comment: Here he contradicts himself saying that he believes that every believer is currently in possession of eternal life.
Harry: "That is exactly what we stand for. Anyone who says "I am a Christian" and does not follow peace and holiness will never see the Lord. At the judgment seat of Christ, the Lord will go over the entire life since regeneration, giving His mind about every thing, and the believer will then for the first time see each detail in the light of God's infinite holiness. Everything there will be dealt with so that the believer's failures will never be referred to again for all eternity." My Comment: I agree with this, we must be Christ followers, and Jesus Christ (Our Judge) will go over our lives since "being saved" or as Harry says since "our regeneration".
b. Page 5 of the article: I understand that Ironside is stating that our perseverance in the faith is not according to the power of our mind or will, but in concert with the Holy Spirit's enabling & persevering with us. God in us will do everything to enable His child to live for Him, deal with sin as it confronts us & walk as the redeemed of God. If I lived in such a manner in my own power, I would certainly fail as the flesh cannot combat the spiritual forces working against me - it has to be the Holy Spirit that empowers us ( Philippians 2:13; Ephesians 3:20). But if we're not 'committed to living the Christian life' in unabashed rampant sin, then the question remains, 'are we even saved'? Would God be so gracious to send forth His Spirit to reside in us to seal & secure us, & then say, 'O dear, I think I erred, let's get back out of that residence?' And if we then come to our senses & repent, that His Spirit returns back to us - maybe again & again? I never see the Spirit's movement as that of a yo-yo - once residing in the truly saved person, He's there to stay & keeps us saved & living for the Lord. That's why it behoves us never to judge one another - we simply cannot know another's spiritual condition with all certainty - but the Lord knows those who are His.
c. Page 7: Here, Ironside speaks of having eternal life now, "I am a Christian now if I believe on the Lord Jesus Christ; believing on Him I have eternal life". He then says that he has it in a dying body, waiting for the redemption of that body. When that body sees its (completed) redemption, he will experience that eternal life (he had on Earth) in all its fullness "spirit, soul and body, entirely conformed to Christ". It is in this sense, that he has hope of eternal life - not just the assurance when on Earth, but now in fullness, with the Lord ( 1 John 5:11-13; Ephesians 1:4-14).
Brother Dan. I'm glad that you found the time to go through that article. To that end & in light of your comments, I would add or clarify:
a. Your quote of Page 4 of Ironside's article: God our Father & Jesus our Judge. I understand that God deals with His children as just that - His children, as those adopted into His family through His Son. We can never be judged again for our sins - we faced judgement when we came to the Cross & gazed upon the crucified One, trusting Him to bear our sins & reconcile us to God. Now judgement remains for those who reject the offer of salvation. As sons, He will chastise us (even as a good father would - Hebrews 12:5-11), whether that gentle warning or more severe dealing with, that we may realize our error & come back into sweet fellowship. The only time we see Jesus as our Judge, is at His Judgement Seat (called, Bema) where rewards are given as per our earthly Christian conduct ( 2 Corinthians 5:10; cf 1 Corinthians 3:12-15) when the full worth of our Christian lives will pass by us. The judgement of the unsaved is certain ( Revelation 20:11-15) where even the good that they have done cannot save them.
Brother Chris,
Harry states: "Then I shall have received eternal life in all its fullness, spirit, soul, and body, entirely conformed to Christ. In that sense I am hoping for eternal life" My comment: Yes, I agree we are all hoping for eternal life/salvation - we do not have it until the final judgement.
Harry:"But over and over and over again, Scripture rings the changes on the fact that every believer is at the present time in possession of eternal life." My comment: Here he contradicts himself saying that he believes that every believer is currently in possession of eternal life.
Harry: "That is exactly what we stand for. Anyone who says "I am a Christian" and does not follow peace and holiness will never see the Lord. At the judgment seat of Christ, the Lord will go over the entire life since regeneration, giving His mind about every thing, and the believer will then for the first time see each detail in the light of God's infinite holiness. Everything there will be dealt with so that the believer's failures will never be referred to again for all eternity." My Comment: I agree with this, we must be Christ followers, and Jesus Christ (Our Judge) will go over our lives since "being saved" or as Harry says since "our regeneration".
God Bless
b. Page 5 of the article: I understand that Ironside is stating that our perseverance in the faith is not according to the power of our mind or will, but in concert with the Holy Spirit's enabling & persevering with us. God in us will do everything to enable His child to live for Him, deal with sin as it confronts us & walk as the redeemed of God. If I lived in such a manner in my own power, I would certainly fail as the flesh cannot combat the spiritual forces working against me - it has to be the Holy Spirit that empowers us ( Philippians 2:13; Ephesians 3:20). But if we're not 'committed to living the Christian life' in unabashed rampant sin, then the question remains, 'are we even saved'? Would God be so gracious to send forth His Spirit to reside in us to seal & secure us, & then say, 'O dear, I think I erred, let's get back out of that residence?' And if we then come to our senses & repent, that His Spirit returns back to us - maybe again & again? I never see the Spirit's movement as that of a yo-yo - once residing in the truly saved person, He's there to stay & keeps us saved & living for the Lord. That's why it behoves us never to judge one another - we simply cannot know another's spiritual condition with all certainty - but the Lord knows those who are His.
c. Page 7: Here, Ironside speaks of having eternal life now, "I am a Christian now if I believe on the Lord Jesus Christ; believing on Him I have eternal life". He then says that he has it in a dying body, waiting for the redemption of that body. When that body sees its (completed) redemption, he will experience that eternal life (he had on Earth) in all its fullness "spirit, soul and body, entirely conformed to Christ". It is in this sense, that he has hope of eternal life - not just the assurance when on Earth, but now in fullness, with the Lord ( 1 John 5:11-13; Ephesians 1:4-14).
Every blessing brother.
Brother Dan. I'm glad that you found the time to go through that article. To that end & in light of your comments, I would add or clarify:
a. Your quote of Page 4 of Ironside's article: God our Father & Jesus our Judge. I understand that God deals with His children as just that - His children, as those adopted into His family through His Son. We can never be judged again for our sins - we faced judgement when we came to the Cross & gazed upon the crucified One, trusting Him to bear our sins & reconcile us to God. Now judgement remains for those who reject the offer of salvation. As sons, He will chastise us (even as a good father would - Hebrews 12:5-11), whether that gentle warning or more severe dealing with, that we may realize our error & come back into sweet fellowship. The only time we see Jesus as our Judge, is at His Judgement Seat (called, Bema) where rewards are given as per our earthly Christian conduct ( 2 Corinthians 5:10; cf 1 Corinthians 3:12-15) when the full worth of our Christian lives will pass by us. The judgement of the unsaved is certain ( Revelation 20:11-15) where even the good that they have done cannot save them.
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