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To have a good understanding of 1 Corinthians 13:10, it would have to be taken together with verses 11, 12, and 13. I can share with you what is being taught here if you're willing to bear with me as it might take two or three parts.
You see, there's two phases here.
Whatever is now is in part. Knowledge is in part. Prophecy is in part. And tongues is in part.
But there's going to come a time when that which is perfect is come, and everything else is going to be done away.
Now some people say that which is perfect was the scriptures, that once the bible was finalized, we call it canonized, and the stamp of authority put on it by the early church, that when that happened, we no longer need prophecies and tongues and knowledge.
Other people say that it has to do with the coming of Christ.
But the Greek word for that which is perfect is TOTELEION. It is never used in the bible for the coming of Christ.
Some people say that it means Christ Himself. Certainly He is perfect, but TOTELEION is not used for Jesus Christ either.
Interesting that it is neuter in the Greek text. It is never used for the coming of Christ. It's never used for Christ. It's never made in reference to the bible. That's just a personal belief.
But TOTELEION, the word TELEION is the word in the scriptures that represents maturity, perfectness!
If you would like for me to explain how all this works using the last three verses, I would be happy to do so if you are willing to read a longer post!
I am not sure what you mean when you say that when we are gathered face to face with Christ there will be no need for our spiritual abilities. My understanding is that we have no spiritual abilities. It is Christ in us that has all the capacities and abilities to produce spiritual things. We do not have the capacity to produce anything spiritual. All we can produce is flesh. But I would agree that one day when all believers meet face to face in the presence of the Lord, we will then come to the realization of what true worship is all about. There will no longer be any need for our bibles!
Thanks for the clarification. I think we are in agreement with each other on what is being taught in 1 Corinthians 13:10. I'm sorry if I was being too critical. I think GiGi nailed it on what "the perfect" is referring to.
I think the "that which is in part shall be done away" is talking about our earthly pilgrimage. We know in part. We only know what God gives us. We don't know everything. We have to study the bible and trust God's Spirit to reveal the truth of Christ to us. We can't study it like a textbook because it requires the revelation of God's Spirit.
Someday, we won't need that. We'll be with the Lord face to face. We won't need a bible study. There will be no bibles in heaven. We'll be with Christ! Right now we know in part. But you see, the other half is "but when that which is perfect is come." When we reach what would be called maturity, not maturity spiritually here, but the completed perfect state. When we reach the Lord, all the other stuff will be done away!
We won't need a bible. We won't need all the tools that we struggle with. We'll be with Christ and we'll become that complete person, and we will see Him face to face. But then shall I know even as also I am known. ( 1 Corinthians 13:12). That's an interesting little phrase. It means that when I get to this perfection, when I see Him face to face, I'm going to look back and know me as I was known by Him. Right now, I don't even know myself. But one day I will know even as I was known. And guess what? Agape will still be there. That will never be done away.
God Bless you also my brother and keep sharing your knowledge!
Nicely phrased, Jesse. In eternity with God we will know Him to the greatest extent that our humanness can understand Him. We will know in full or, as you say, our knowledge of Him will be complete. Not that we will know everything there is to know and understand about God, because he is infinitely unfathomable, but we will know Him in a perfect and complete relationship that He created us to have with Him forever.
To have a good understanding of 1 Corinthians 13:10, it would have to be taken together with verses 11, 12, and 13. I can share with you what is being taught here if you're willing to bear with me as it might take two or three parts.
You see, there's two phases here.
Whatever is now is in part. Knowledge is in part. Prophecy is in part. And tongues is in part.
But there's going to come a time when that which is perfect is come, and everything else is going to be done away.
Now some people say that which is perfect was the scriptures, that once the bible was finalized, we call it canonized, and the stamp of authority put on it by the early church, that when that happened, we no longer need prophecies and tongues and knowledge.
Other people say that it has to do with the coming of Christ.
But the Greek word for that which is perfect is TOTELEION. It is never used in the bible for the coming of Christ.
Some people say that it means Christ Himself. Certainly He is perfect, but TOTELEION is not used for Jesus Christ either.
Interesting that it is neuter in the Greek text. It is never used for the coming of Christ. It's never used for Christ. It's never made in reference to the bible. That's just a personal belief.
But TOTELEION, the word TELEION is the word in the scriptures that represents maturity, perfectness!
If you would like for me to explain how all this works using the last three verses, I would be happy to do so if you are willing to read a longer post!
when we are gathered together face to face with christ there will be no need for our spiritual abilities
so like I said go for it.
I am not sure what you mean when you say that when we are gathered face to face with Christ there will be no need for our spiritual abilities. My understanding is that we have no spiritual abilities. It is Christ in us that has all the capacities and abilities to produce spiritual things. We do not have the capacity to produce anything spiritual. All we can produce is flesh. But I would agree that one day when all believers meet face to face in the presence of the Lord, we will then come to the realization of what true worship is all about. There will no longer be any need for our bibles!
the Spirit we have been given, my point is how do you wrestle against spiritual power if we don't have power
given by God through Christ to operate then Stand. Other than that we understand the same thing. God Bless
Thanks for the clarification. I think we are in agreement with each other on what is being taught in 1 Corinthians 13:10. I'm sorry if I was being too critical. I think GiGi nailed it on what "the perfect" is referring to.
I think the "that which is in part shall be done away" is talking about our earthly pilgrimage. We know in part. We only know what God gives us. We don't know everything. We have to study the bible and trust God's Spirit to reveal the truth of Christ to us. We can't study it like a textbook because it requires the revelation of God's Spirit.
Someday, we won't need that. We'll be with the Lord face to face. We won't need a bible study. There will be no bibles in heaven. We'll be with Christ! Right now we know in part. But you see, the other half is "but when that which is perfect is come." When we reach what would be called maturity, not maturity spiritually here, but the completed perfect state. When we reach the Lord, all the other stuff will be done away!
We won't need a bible. We won't need all the tools that we struggle with. We'll be with Christ and we'll become that complete person, and we will see Him face to face. But then shall I know even as also I am known. ( 1 Corinthians 13:12). That's an interesting little phrase. It means that when I get to this perfection, when I see Him face to face, I'm going to look back and know me as I was known by Him. Right now, I don't even know myself. But one day I will know even as I was known. And guess what? Agape will still be there. That will never be done away.
God Bless you also my brother and keep sharing your knowledge!
When its comes to Gods Word the deeper we Dig The greater the treasures.
Yup, I was getting ready to come after you (Just kidding). I knew what you meant. Have a blessed day in Christ Jesus!
who is perfect comes back for His body the church which will be made perfect in resurrected bodies.
The key is face to face when we meet him in the air but for now we have the assuratey of
the spirit in us or the earnest or the token we are born again and awaiting the return then face to face then
we are going to know even as we are now known. Verse 13 Given all the things shared from the chapter the
greatest is charity agapeo[the Love of God in the Renewed mind in Manifestation.
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