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GRACE_ambassador UNpardonable sin... - 3 years ago
Precious friends, some go to 'extremes' on divorce/remarriage, as well as 'other' doctrines; ie
As long as the marriage to a second person exists they 'Always Continuously commit adultery'? They CANNOT be forgiven? Of course this is UNscriptural, as there is only 'ONE' UNpardonable sin; ie
"Wherefore I say unto you, ALL Manner Of Sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against The Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men." Mat 12:31
Thus, there CANNOT be TWO 'UNpardonable sins,' Correct?
And ONE 'other' doctrine? ie
Of course, this 'thinking' is no surprise, as Many believe there are TWO 'baptismS' for us, today, Under God's PURE GRACE, when God teaches there is 'Only' ONE Baptism:
Thus, I thank God For His UNsearchable Riches Of Truth that "CHRIST died for ALL of my sins, and was Resurrected, According To The Scriptures," for my ETERNAL life! Amen?
I don't any of us said that such people in such a relationship cannot be forgiven. What we are saying is that the relationship will continue to be sinful as long as they are involved in it. The fact that we are forgiven for our daily sins does not make our sinful actions unsinful. I will own this idea. Scripture does teach us that we are not to be involved in ongoing sinful actions. No matter how many times we repeat a sin, it will never become good. Therefore, I believe that those divorced and remarried people who continue to be married and whose divorce does not fit under the exceptions Jesus stated are continuously living in sin, just like someone who have relations with their boyfriend or girlfriend before marriage. Just because they love each other does not make the relations unsinful they cease having relations when they are not yet married. (The church today even gives a pass at this type of relationship in many instances.) Like I said, many believers are ok with divorce and remarriage for any reason because it does not offend US. It used to, but so many have adopted the world's view instead of the view Jesus stated.
We can all confess and be forgiven of our daily sins, but I personally would find it hard to continue in a sexual relationship that Jesus has said is adulterous, even if I can confess and be forgiven each day.
As to people who were unbelievers when they divorced and remarried, or were unbelievers when they divorced and believers when they remarried, I really don't know what to think about that. In the early church, many believers were involved in polygamous relationships. I don't know what the church leadership taught these people to do, whether to remain polygamous or to select one wife to stay with and divorce the others.
So, as I have said, this is one subject that we deal with often in our society and fellowships. I don't know the absolutely correct answer or approach. That is why I value the opportunity this forum provides.
I would like the opportunity to further elaborate on the issue. We a start off on different journeys as did Paul and Peter.
There's a growth process at we begin as babes in Christ.
Per adventure you take two married couples genuinely seeking the Lord, One group ends up under great spiritual leadership, The other not so and never finds rest in Christ early on. Ends up in a divorce, remarries have a clear and remorseful understanding of his error and ( HAVE A REPENTED HEART). Serve the Lord through the working of the spirit, The fruit of his labor express that. Now we begin to see maturity in that person by the repentance he has displayed.
I don't think this falls under habitual sin.
What is repentance? To turn from something and to see and feel the way God does about the matter. AND THAT'S DONE BY THE SPIRIT! And the Lord will judge man's heart and intent and Motives as only he can. We should be careful in wanting the Lord to draw out a plumb line on people's lives. We all continue to come up short in regards to perfection whether you are in habitual sin or not.
How do we measure habitual pride?
or habitual hypocrisy?
Let's consider something.
A few weeks ago we discussed that this site is just a forum and not a Church setting. After carefully vetting and studying Matthew 18:15-20.
I, Myself made an mistake. WE "THE REGENERATED" ARE THE CHURCH! AND WE ARE GATHERING! AND MINISTERING, ( AND THE LORD IS IN THE MIDST) We may not be formal but when you don't function under proposed guidelines for the Church in scripture you see the same consequences!! That was brought to my attention via observation.
"If" this is true we should tread lightly and beware of that plumb line.
Yes, I do agree that some things are really in God's hands. I don't talk to those who are divorced and remarried about this because I am not their judge and I think that it is the pastors/leaders responsibility to teach on this from Scripture, not me. Yet, most pastors avoid teaching on it, so congregants must go to Scripture to learn what Scripture says.
I predict that pretty soon, churches will no longer support the idea that sex outside of marriage is sinful (many already have). And then next, that homosexuality is sinful (Some already have). What is next after that? We are quickly sliding down the slipper slope in this generation.
I don't think we are dealing with habitual pride or hypocrisy here. Most of us want to have God's view on this subject.
But, yes, any habitual sin should be repented of and a person should allow the Holy Spirit to work that habit out of teir daily lives. That is what the Holy Spirit does in sanctifying us.
As long as the marriage to a second person exists they 'Always Continuously commit adultery'? They CANNOT be forgiven? Of course this is UNscriptural, as there is only 'ONE' UNpardonable sin; ie
"Wherefore I say unto you, ALL Manner Of Sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against The Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men." Mat 12:31
Thus, there CANNOT be TWO 'UNpardonable sins,' Correct?
And ONE 'other' doctrine? ie
Of course, this 'thinking' is no surprise, as Many believe there are TWO 'baptismS' for us, today, Under God's PURE GRACE, when God teaches there is 'Only' ONE Baptism:
Link
Thus, I thank God For His UNsearchable Riches Of Truth that "CHRIST died for ALL of my sins, and was Resurrected, According To The Scriptures," for my ETERNAL life! Amen?
God's 'Simple' Will: Link
I don't any of us said that such people in such a relationship cannot be forgiven. What we are saying is that the relationship will continue to be sinful as long as they are involved in it. The fact that we are forgiven for our daily sins does not make our sinful actions unsinful. I will own this idea. Scripture does teach us that we are not to be involved in ongoing sinful actions. No matter how many times we repeat a sin, it will never become good. Therefore, I believe that those divorced and remarried people who continue to be married and whose divorce does not fit under the exceptions Jesus stated are continuously living in sin, just like someone who have relations with their boyfriend or girlfriend before marriage. Just because they love each other does not make the relations unsinful they cease having relations when they are not yet married. (The church today even gives a pass at this type of relationship in many instances.) Like I said, many believers are ok with divorce and remarriage for any reason because it does not offend US. It used to, but so many have adopted the world's view instead of the view Jesus stated.
We can all confess and be forgiven of our daily sins, but I personally would find it hard to continue in a sexual relationship that Jesus has said is adulterous, even if I can confess and be forgiven each day.
As to people who were unbelievers when they divorced and remarried, or were unbelievers when they divorced and believers when they remarried, I really don't know what to think about that. In the early church, many believers were involved in polygamous relationships. I don't know what the church leadership taught these people to do, whether to remain polygamous or to select one wife to stay with and divorce the others.
So, as I have said, this is one subject that we deal with often in our society and fellowships. I don't know the absolutely correct answer or approach. That is why I value the opportunity this forum provides.
I believe you are correct.
I would like the opportunity to further elaborate on the issue. We a start off on different journeys as did Paul and Peter.
There's a growth process at we begin as babes in Christ.
Per adventure you take two married couples genuinely seeking the Lord, One group ends up under great spiritual leadership, The other not so and never finds rest in Christ early on. Ends up in a divorce, remarries have a clear and remorseful understanding of his error and ( HAVE A REPENTED HEART). Serve the Lord through the working of the spirit, The fruit of his labor express that. Now we begin to see maturity in that person by the repentance he has displayed.
I don't think this falls under habitual sin.
What is repentance? To turn from something and to see and feel the way God does about the matter. AND THAT'S DONE BY THE SPIRIT! And the Lord will judge man's heart and intent and Motives as only he can. We should be careful in wanting the Lord to draw out a plumb line on people's lives. We all continue to come up short in regards to perfection whether you are in habitual sin or not.
How do we measure habitual pride?
or habitual hypocrisy?
Let's consider something.
A few weeks ago we discussed that this site is just a forum and not a Church setting. After carefully vetting and studying Matthew 18:15-20.
I, Myself made an mistake. WE "THE REGENERATED" ARE THE CHURCH! AND WE ARE GATHERING! AND MINISTERING, ( AND THE LORD IS IN THE MIDST) We may not be formal but when you don't function under proposed guidelines for the Church in scripture you see the same consequences!! That was brought to my attention via observation.
"If" this is true we should tread lightly and beware of that plumb line.
God bless.
Yes, I do agree that some things are really in God's hands. I don't talk to those who are divorced and remarried about this because I am not their judge and I think that it is the pastors/leaders responsibility to teach on this from Scripture, not me. Yet, most pastors avoid teaching on it, so congregants must go to Scripture to learn what Scripture says.
I predict that pretty soon, churches will no longer support the idea that sex outside of marriage is sinful (many already have). And then next, that homosexuality is sinful (Some already have). What is next after that? We are quickly sliding down the slipper slope in this generation.
I don't think we are dealing with habitual pride or hypocrisy here. Most of us want to have God's view on this subject.
But, yes, any habitual sin should be repented of and a person should allow the Holy Spirit to work that habit out of teir daily lives. That is what the Holy Spirit does in sanctifying us.
God Bless.
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