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I have never considered your idea before. I know that in the New Jerusalem there is the Tree of Life, but the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil is not mentioned to be there.
I think like Chris, that God created both trees because Satan is not able to created something living. He uses what God as made, said, or does to pervert it and reshape it into something wicked.
I believe that God knew all along what would happen in the Garden with Adam and Eve, the tree and Satan. I think He designed it all to happen as part of His plan to redeem creation from the wicked one. Satan thought he had won in the Garden, but he really didn't, because mankind's fall necessitated a Redeemer in order for God to prove to be the Victor over the evil Satan brought into creation.
We may never truly understand God's mind in this, because He absolutely does not tempt anyone, but He does know that if He gives a command, temptation to disobey will be right on the heels of the command. Who knows, maybe He had given Lucifer and the other angels a command, and Lucifer decided to disobey this one command. Then corruption followed, just like with man. The difference is that Lucifer was created immortal, man was not. The reason God did not want Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of life because He knew that should mankind become immortal e would send all of eternity becoming more and more corrupt and evil, just like Lucifer. God had a different plan and end for mankind and ensuring that man remained mortal was part of that for our sake and for His glory.
Brother Rick. Even after considering what you proffered, I still believe that God, Who created all things, living & non- living, placed both those trees in the garden. The very tenor of that Scripture ( Genesis 2:16,17), compels me to understand that God knew all about that tree, why it was placed there (was it for a test to mankind or have some other implication?), & it's possible future impact.
If Satan could even do something as creating an object from nothing, it seems that God was quite accepting of the tree's presence & His seemingly casual reference to it being there. I understand the question you posed but I still feel that it was something from God that Satan used to cause Adam & Eve to question God's Word & infinite Mercy. Had that tree not been there, or that A & E were not given instruction by God about it, Satan would have surely found another way to get them to doubt, disobey, or depart from their Creator. As brother Jesse shared in another thread, that Jesus Himself was tested by Satan on all points (i.e. the appeal to the flesh, to the eyes, or to one's pride/loftiness), & still Jesus refused to buy into Satan's useless tactics/tests - because the Word of God stands sure & our resilience & joy comes when Satan is rebuffed with the Word & flees. Maybe (& just a thought if there was no Tree), Satan could have convinced A & E to start hunting & killing animals for the sport of it - I would think that that would have come before God as sin - he would have got to us in some way or the other.
The Hebrew rendering of those applicable verses doesn't given anymore clarity than what we read & understand in Genesis 2:9,16,17: two trees that were specifically mentioned by God over & above the other vegetation given: one of Life (whether for sustaining life & health ensuring eternal life on Earth) & one for the Knowledge of Good & Evil (that which removes man's innocence, giving him increasing knowledge & discernment, both in matters of the world around him & of moral uprightness).
The Command of God to them was not to deny them a fuller knowledge of life (as that is part of the Image of God), for we know that the trees in Eden gave edible fruit & were given to them to freely eat from (v16), but that particular tree was also there to be a test of their obedience to their Creator. They could have partaken of the Tree of Life if they did not sin, but for now forbidden from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil. The worth of that tree isn't in question, the worth of A & E's moral integrity is.
What would have happened if they obeyed God even after being tempted to disobey - would that tree still be debarred from them? Could God have said to them, 'Since you passed the test, you can now eat of that tree?' We don't know - maybe God wanted mankind to be kept in innocence into eternity, or maybe after the test would be completed, that tree would have become available so that mankind would increase in knowledge, conforming more to the Image of his Creator. All this is supposition of course.
We no longer see the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil, as the sin of disobedience was already committed & that very sin has passed onto all mankind: disobeying our Creator, removing His Lordship over us, & replacing it with ours. But the Tree of Life is seen in the New Earth ( Revelation 22:2), when Satan can no longer deceive us & cause us to sin, & that Tree stands, maybe symbolically, speaking of our restored eternal existence with our God & Saviour.
Bless you brother. Though I felt that I didn't, rather couldn't, answer your question properly, given that I don't read Hebrew. I have to, as most of us, refer to Hebrew translations & then conduct a small exercise to learn of the meaning & application. This I failed to properly achieve in this instance. Thanks for your understanding.
I always think of you when I watch these missionaries on youtube: called, The Two Preachers. They go to India and Pakistan and I believe in Australia and numerous countries.
They video disasters around the globe, lead people to Jesus, give The people Bibles in their languages. Pay ransom for people unable to pay their debts.
What they do is important. We live in the USA and barely notice ongoing disasters in our own nation.
What they publish is always current footage; within days of the event. It's important in our prayer time to pray for missionaries in every country. Whole cities get washed away in floods!
They posted videos of the Kentucky tornadoes.
It's big and loud, that Jesus is soon to appear. May we never take peace and safety for granted. Amen.
WHAT happened to the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil??
Revelation 22:2
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the TREE OF LIFE which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
God had two trees in the Garden of Eden. The Trees were FOR A CHOICE.
One Tree was for Eternal Life.
One Tree was for the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
All of the OTHER trees were given for food and enjoyment
[The first 2 trees were forbidden to be eaten from.]
TEMPTATION entered the Garden. Lucifer in the body of a snake. He wasn't human, so he had to borrow a body. Adam was with Eve. Lucifer approached the woman (help meet).
See, God gives us choices. We are responsible for our choices. Eve was drawn to choose separateness from God; knowledge apart from God, leverage and personal gain. (things Lucifer was suggesting). Maybe Eve craved TO BE EQUAL to God or Adam?
She didn't choose Eternal Life. Eternity in sin and separation. Satan was after the Dominion given to humans. He went after "the weaker vessel."
God immediately protected the Tree of Life with a flaming sword. To protect them from spiritual death and separation. And you can read of the judgments of Adam having to cultivate and provide their own food; Eve suffering through childbirth, etc. And the history of mankind on earth, separated from God, began for all peoples.
However, in Genesis 3:15, is told of a future day (the Cross of Jesus) of restoration of relationship to God, would be paid in blood, by Jesus Christ__who was and is, THE TREE OF LIFE.
Revelation 22:2 (where the Tree is now).
The tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is inside of us. Either we CHOOSE LIFE ETERNAL; or we live until we die, separated forever, spiritually dead.
It was good food for thought. Made us think and consider this portion of man's history in light of God's overall (or Pen-ultimate) purpose and plan for creation. It is all about His glory.
TIPPING THE SCALES OF BLESSING AND FAITHLESSNESS - In Reply - 3 years ago
What kind of love is it that makes something that doesn't have a choice? that's a robot. God gave us a choice and we chose to disobey a known prohibition-don't eat from the two trees! that was their one rule to obey.
What do you do when your 2 Yr old touches a hot stove? I find God To be very practical like a parent almost.
If Adam and Eve had eaten from the tree of life they would have lived eternally in a state of sin and condemnation.
Why are we always suspicious that God is not giving us a fair deal?
Does the clay turn on the Potter and say what are you doin?! what are you making??
We are not asked to lay down and be robots. we are asked to trust him!
If you are going to "trust" God to save your immortal soul; WHY CAN YOU NOT TRUST HIM FOR SAFETY AND A FUTURE?
When the tornadoes struck Kentucky, WHO PRAYED FOR THEM ALL NIGHT LONG?
Tornadoes are natural Phenomena; weather.
Did God give Adam and Eve dominion over the earth? Do we use that? Jesus gave it back to us AT THE CROSS.
Christians can make a difference. God restored that to us, from Jesus's sacrifice on the Cross.
We think very very small. we have dominion and the ability as Jesus's children, to pray for intervention. God didn't say to us to go hide in caves. JESUS IS OUR EXAMPLE. Say to this "mountain ", be removed and cast into the sea, IN JESUS NAME! I believe and have thus decreed.
Have our churches opened shelter to those without any? Biden sent 10!!!!! Mobile homes to Kentucky!!! They need hundreds.
We let them waste our tax money and hope for miracles to rain out of the sky. Get on your knees and grab onto the Horns of the altar of God. Cry out and shake out miracles and blessing for Victims.
It called obedience. It's a "priest" standing between disaster and blessing; asking God to acknowledge our faith and obedience.
Prayer changes outcomes. It is faithless and arrogant not to pray.
made and it was very good , and the evening and morning were the sixth day. Also God says in James 1:13
basically that God can't be tempted or Tried and that he Tempt no man. Another point He is always endeavoring
to keep man out of the soup so to speak. Here's the question did God put the tree of the knowledge of good and
evil or did the enemy slip it in and Eve and Adam went for it when God said don't. Because the true God doesn't
deal in confusion. Like I said in the beginning this is spit balling and a perpective.
I have never considered your idea before. I know that in the New Jerusalem there is the Tree of Life, but the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil is not mentioned to be there.
I think like Chris, that God created both trees because Satan is not able to created something living. He uses what God as made, said, or does to pervert it and reshape it into something wicked.
I believe that God knew all along what would happen in the Garden with Adam and Eve, the tree and Satan. I think He designed it all to happen as part of His plan to redeem creation from the wicked one. Satan thought he had won in the Garden, but he really didn't, because mankind's fall necessitated a Redeemer in order for God to prove to be the Victor over the evil Satan brought into creation.
We may never truly understand God's mind in this, because He absolutely does not tempt anyone, but He does know that if He gives a command, temptation to disobey will be right on the heels of the command. Who knows, maybe He had given Lucifer and the other angels a command, and Lucifer decided to disobey this one command. Then corruption followed, just like with man. The difference is that Lucifer was created immortal, man was not. The reason God did not want Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of life because He knew that should mankind become immortal e would send all of eternity becoming more and more corrupt and evil, just like Lucifer. God had a different plan and end for mankind and ensuring that man remained mortal was part of that for our sake and for His glory.
If Satan could even do something as creating an object from nothing, it seems that God was quite accepting of the tree's presence & His seemingly casual reference to it being there. I understand the question you posed but I still feel that it was something from God that Satan used to cause Adam & Eve to question God's Word & infinite Mercy. Had that tree not been there, or that A & E were not given instruction by God about it, Satan would have surely found another way to get them to doubt, disobey, or depart from their Creator. As brother Jesse shared in another thread, that Jesus Himself was tested by Satan on all points (i.e. the appeal to the flesh, to the eyes, or to one's pride/loftiness), & still Jesus refused to buy into Satan's useless tactics/tests - because the Word of God stands sure & our resilience & joy comes when Satan is rebuffed with the Word & flees. Maybe (& just a thought if there was no Tree), Satan could have convinced A & E to start hunting & killing animals for the sport of it - I would think that that would have come before God as sin - he would have got to us in some way or the other.
he can and does manipulate which is one of His characteristics. So I'll do what the beatles did for now Let It Be Bro.
Thank you.
The Command of God to them was not to deny them a fuller knowledge of life (as that is part of the Image of God), for we know that the trees in Eden gave edible fruit & were given to them to freely eat from (v16), but that particular tree was also there to be a test of their obedience to their Creator. They could have partaken of the Tree of Life if they did not sin, but for now forbidden from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil. The worth of that tree isn't in question, the worth of A & E's moral integrity is.
What would have happened if they obeyed God even after being tempted to disobey - would that tree still be debarred from them? Could God have said to them, 'Since you passed the test, you can now eat of that tree?' We don't know - maybe God wanted mankind to be kept in innocence into eternity, or maybe after the test would be completed, that tree would have become available so that mankind would increase in knowledge, conforming more to the Image of his Creator. All this is supposition of course.
We no longer see the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil, as the sin of disobedience was already committed & that very sin has passed onto all mankind: disobeying our Creator, removing His Lordship over us, & replacing it with ours. But the Tree of Life is seen in the New Earth ( Revelation 22:2), when Satan can no longer deceive us & cause us to sin, & that Tree stands, maybe symbolically, speaking of our restored eternal existence with our God & Saviour.
When I read the part where God sacrifice 2 animals to make clothes for Adam and Eve__I cried. God is so good.
I always think of you when I watch these missionaries on youtube: called, The Two Preachers. They go to India and Pakistan and I believe in Australia and numerous countries.
They video disasters around the globe, lead people to Jesus, give The people Bibles in their languages. Pay ransom for people unable to pay their debts.
What they do is important. We live in the USA and barely notice ongoing disasters in our own nation.
What they publish is always current footage; within days of the event. It's important in our prayer time to pray for missionaries in every country. Whole cities get washed away in floods!
They posted videos of the Kentucky tornadoes.
It's big and loud, that Jesus is soon to appear. May we never take peace and safety for granted. Amen.
Revelation 22:2
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the TREE OF LIFE which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
God had two trees in the Garden of Eden. The Trees were FOR A CHOICE.
One Tree was for Eternal Life.
One Tree was for the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
All of the OTHER trees were given for food and enjoyment
[The first 2 trees were forbidden to be eaten from.]
TEMPTATION entered the Garden. Lucifer in the body of a snake. He wasn't human, so he had to borrow a body. Adam was with Eve. Lucifer approached the woman (help meet).
See, God gives us choices. We are responsible for our choices. Eve was drawn to choose separateness from God; knowledge apart from God, leverage and personal gain. (things Lucifer was suggesting). Maybe Eve craved TO BE EQUAL to God or Adam?
She didn't choose Eternal Life. Eternity in sin and separation. Satan was after the Dominion given to humans. He went after "the weaker vessel."
God immediately protected the Tree of Life with a flaming sword. To protect them from spiritual death and separation. And you can read of the judgments of Adam having to cultivate and provide their own food; Eve suffering through childbirth, etc. And the history of mankind on earth, separated from God, began for all peoples.
However, in Genesis 3:15, is told of a future day (the Cross of Jesus) of restoration of relationship to God, would be paid in blood, by Jesus Christ__who was and is, THE TREE OF LIFE.
Revelation 22:2 (where the Tree is now).
The tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is inside of us. Either we CHOOSE LIFE ETERNAL; or we live until we die, separated forever, spiritually dead.
takes a lot for me to accept something as being biblically accurate and proven.
and corrupt that which was already in existence, knowing that His target was Adam and Eve. At any rate
interesting input moving onward and upward.
It was good food for thought. Made us think and consider this portion of man's history in light of God's overall (or Pen-ultimate) purpose and plan for creation. It is all about His glory.
What do you do when your 2 Yr old touches a hot stove? I find God To be very practical like a parent almost.
If Adam and Eve had eaten from the tree of life they would have lived eternally in a state of sin and condemnation.
Why are we always suspicious that God is not giving us a fair deal?
Does the clay turn on the Potter and say what are you doin?! what are you making??
We are not asked to lay down and be robots. we are asked to trust him!
If you are going to "trust" God to save your immortal soul; WHY CAN YOU NOT TRUST HIM FOR SAFETY AND A FUTURE?
When the tornadoes struck Kentucky, WHO PRAYED FOR THEM ALL NIGHT LONG?
Tornadoes are natural Phenomena; weather.
Did God give Adam and Eve dominion over the earth? Do we use that? Jesus gave it back to us AT THE CROSS.
Christians can make a difference. God restored that to us, from Jesus's sacrifice on the Cross.
We think very very small. we have dominion and the ability as Jesus's children, to pray for intervention. God didn't say to us to go hide in caves. JESUS IS OUR EXAMPLE. Say to this "mountain ", be removed and cast into the sea, IN JESUS NAME! I believe and have thus decreed.
Have our churches opened shelter to those without any? Biden sent 10!!!!! Mobile homes to Kentucky!!! They need hundreds.
We let them waste our tax money and hope for miracles to rain out of the sky. Get on your knees and grab onto the Horns of the altar of God. Cry out and shake out miracles and blessing for Victims.
It called obedience. It's a "priest" standing between disaster and blessing; asking God to acknowledge our faith and obedience.
Prayer changes outcomes. It is faithless and arrogant not to pray.
questioning Gods word or what he does.
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