Bible Discussion Thread

Wasn't 1st Tim. 2:12 more of a cultural issue. We see in acts women Paul talking about teaching and great workers in Christ.

Also, isn't "preaching" different from teaching? They aren't in rule over men but if truly called by God, doing what she is called to do.

Sorry, lol, this leads to this. If, the verse is to be held above cultural values, how do we justify women in Sunday school teachers?

I see this used by some pastors and husband's using this verse to pit women "in their place!". I'm not a feminist or supporting an anti church organization. I'm doing an independent study and getting different views. Be blessed, safe and Merry Christmas!

Anybody doing anything for Jesus Christ always attracts " Fruit inspectors"

If women feel the call to minister in Jesus Name; then these men pull out a 20 lb Scoffield Reference Bible and hit them with the LAW.

Keep scripture in context !! They were sitting behind a screen or across the aisle, leaning over to ask their husbands " (Loud) what does that mean sweetie?

Paul was a Pharisee before he got saved. Just like US, it takes the Lord a while to work that stuff out of us. Joel 3:28-29, Acts 21:9. 1 Corinthians 12:23, Galatians 3:28__says the ladies may preach and prophesy. Deborah was a judge!

And DONT write me a rebuke ok, thanks.

There some anointed (by the Holy Spirit) women in these rooms. My Bible says, "touch not mine anointed and do my prophets no harm."

Just now on YouTube I saw a guy saying Pastor Greg Laurie is Apostate because he evangelized rock stars!! The key word here is ACCUSER. Satan is the Father of Lies, and THE ACCUSER OF THE BRETHERN AND THE SISTERS.

I took lots of women to the streets of Roswell New Mexico to learn cold contact street evangelism. Never once did they discuss hair or nails.

They had their Bibles, they knew where all the key passages were. When we did courthouse lawn Rapture Movies Night, they ministered the Word. People got saved. They bought their own tracts to hand out too. Those were the days.

If I've said it 50 times :D everybody will take a comic book tract. They like comics! Go to CHICK TRACTS online. You can read what you're buying. Write your church name on the back. Always sit with your "lambs" and introduce them around at church.

You may receive the SOUL WINNERS CROWN at the Bema Seat of Christ :O

I wrapped gifts for people all afternoon. No one likes to do it anymore.

Guys, Jesus is coming back very soon. The Pope is pushing Israel to give up the West Bank totally.

It is another key sign. Land for freedom to get the 3rd Temple built. Pray for Israel every day.

Mishael

Go on YouTube and type in, IVERNA TOMPKINS.

She came to our Church in Tulsa(when I lived there), and she is on fire for Jesus, the Holy Spirit and Life. I'm sure she may have a website with literature on how to live in "a mans world." That doesn't insult me to write that, because we live in Gods world !! Ask to be anointed for service.

Iverna serves up Meat Platters in her sermons. She can be funny and then lower the Truth. I she lived here I'd be there every time the doors open. When she breaks out in praise and song, your spirit knows that is a prayer.

Hi Dusty. Both GiGi & Rick have, I believe, written well from their perceptions of this (& other passages). If I might add to it.

Paul's instruction to (Pastor) Timothy was for the administering of the Church, both in his own conduct & the conduct of those that meet each Lord's Day. How people, whether brothers or sisters, share with others (in Bible Study, Sunday School, Youth Group, witnessing, counselling, etc.) outside the main gathering of the Church was entirely up to them with the Lord's leading - there should be no constraints. But while gathered together before the Lord, even to sharing around the Lord's Table, order & propriety are essential.

For this reason, elders (for policy, direction, leadership & teaching) & deacons (helpers) were appointed. There were no women elders; though women could fill deacon-type positions in their support of the work. Pastoral work which was primarily a shepherding role, could in a sense, be filled by both men & women, as women could rightfully shepherd other sisters or youth. However, today, the Pastor fills the position of the main leader/preacher/teacher - whom we should rightfully (biblically) refer to as the 'leading Elder'. So this position, before the congregation, can only be filled by a man - and this order is not because of a pre-disposition of setting women at a lower level, but of scriptural warrant from the order of creation ( 1 Corinthians 11:3 ff).

In those early days, both men & women were highly dependent on Church leaders to teach them from the Word & help for Christian living. Nowadays, both men & women can be equally proficient with the Word & quite capable to expound it to others. But for the sake of propriety within God's Plan for the Church, it's best to stay with what is given in the Word, no matter how unreasonable it may sound in today's context of equality & abilities in biblical knowledge & use of spiritual Gifts.

I have thought about this, too. Is it a custom of the times, like earing a head scarf? Or is it a command for all time. I have heard many different opinions on this. For me, I choose to support this principle that women are to refrain from being in leadership over men. I also, know that there may be exceptional situations where a woman may mentor a man (such those women who mentored Apollos, since they had more complete knowledge of the gospel than he did).

For me, I like to consider the passage where woman are to be taught by their husbands. I have read that in those times, women and men were separated in the congregation, so if a woman had a question or comment it would have been out of order for her to speak up over the men. She would wait until she was home with her husband to discuss a matter further. I do support this principle, however it does put a responsibility upon the husband to be well instructed and a spiritual leader in the home. Can we honestly say that this is the case in most Christian homes today? No, unfortunately. And what about single women? In Paul's time women stayed with their family until married, so the Father was the head over her. But today, many adult women are out of their parent's household and on their own. Who is their head in this situation?

I am not one to buck up against Scripture much and I am happy to be lead and taught by men. I am also happy to be lead and taught by a woman as in a women's bible study. I have taught Sunday School for children and youth, but not adults. I have no inclination to teach men in a mixed gender group. I want to follow this Scripture even if it was just a custom for that time. The integrity of my witness is more important than seeking a position above men. But, like the women who mentored Apollo, I would be open to mentoring either sex if led to. But as a married woman I would most likely not mentor a man. I did mentor my husband in the faith before we were married. Feel free to chime in.

Dusty Here's a simple way to view it, next to great men of God there are great women to be a help meet

I.E. to help pray teach instruct and preach within the structure that God set up. There are instances in he

old testament where women so to speak took a stand. In the church of God in Timothy the order is men ordained are

encouraged to lead as pastors and bishops the statement with women in subjection strictly depends on the

men walking according to Ephesians 5:25-29. So keep this in mind the conditions are always it is written.

In the old testament there were women prophets and great women of believing like the shunammites

women who's child was raised from the dead. There are other examples.