Bible Discussion Thread

Galatians 4:21-31 Here the Apostle Paul takes five shadows and typologies in order to create an allegory, he used Abraham to represent God the Father, the two wives Hagar and Sarah to represent the two covenants, the old covenant which is the Ten Commandments in stone and the new covenant, which is the Ten Commandments in the heart. The two children Ishmael and Isaac, represent the two children of God, the first born son of Abraham represents God's first born son Israel, and the second born son of Abraham, represents God's second born son Christianity. Then does the Apostle Paul refer unto the prophecy of Isaiah concerning the two woman, the married woman is Israel, who was married to God, yet did not have as many children as the baron woman, which is Christianity, who is engaged to God, she has more children. Then he turns his attention to Christians who obey the Ten Commandments in stone and teaches their mother is Hagar, the old covenant, yet the prophecy will be fulfilled spiritually, as the old covenant, Hagar and her son, all those who obey the Ten Commandments inb stone shall be cast out of the millennial kingdom of heaven and will not reign with the Lord Jesus Christ or the Christians who obeyed the Ten Commandments in the heart, having Sarah as their mother.

Dr. Lyle Lee The men of God who believed in the patriarchal were made righteous by obedience to Gods word

before the law and after the Law there are those who walked in the commandments and the law blameless Luke

1:6 Zacharias and Elisabeth it doesn't say faultless. So these people who believed God were made righteous by

their faithfulness in the administration they were in. They will be judged at the end and found righteous, we in

the Body of Christ the Church of God have been made the Righteousness of God in Christ Spiritually and are going

to be rewarded for out stand spiritually on the Word. Also believers in the Body are by rebirth spiritually christ in

sons and daughters by God in the old testament they were adopted by God that Includes Israel.

Hi Rick; by your response you have led me to believe you think as Christians we should practice the Ten Commandments in stone, this of course would be bondage, as Christians are now commanded to obey the Ten Commandments in the heart according to Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:6-13 This old law of God had an expiry date according to the Lord Jesus who taught it would expire as soon as he fulfilled it. Matthew 5:18 The question should be asked, when did he fulfill it? The answer is then given in Luke 16:16 by the time of John the Baptist, as it would expire at that time. Today the Ten Commandments in stone is dead. Romans 7:4 and 7:6-7 We are now commanded to keep the new covenant which is the Ten Commandments written in the heart where there is no Sabbath or generational curses.

Dr. Lyle Lee Actually the exact opposite is was I stated, In our time biblically age of Grace we operate in the law of agapeo love of God in Christ which put an end to the law.

Hi Rick; Thanks for helping me in your right understanding, this is true, we are not practicing the old covenant today (Ten Commandments in stone) but rather the new covenant as in Hebrews 8:6-13. I am glad therefore you have not gone under that bondage. Stay blessed

Lemme give ya my take on the nation of Israel Ya gotta realize that Abraham,Issac and Jacob were the foundation of natural ISRAEL ,But they were just symbolic of another ISRAEL which is the iSRAEL OF God the Father Son and the Granson ( the H.G. ) which is the multiplication of God via his seed the Word the New Covenant, The multiplication of Issac resulted the nation of ISRAEL But God spoke of another Promise that wd be a heavenly Promise Gen 22 : And it was in this 2 nd

Promise that God swore by his very self, That Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven, Thus the sower and his precious seed, The living Word the new covenant a birthing covenant . I will know them ALL from the least to the greatest

Jeremiah 31 : 31 An intimacy that wd result in a birth of Christ in us. Thus an Israel of God. heavenly Children, Spirits the H.G. PLURAL As the stars of heaven, I will pour out my spirit on all flesh thats the 2 nd coming As Joel said i will pour out my Spiirt on all flesh.

The multiplication of Isaac resulted in the nation of ISRAEL, But Now under the new covenant its the H.G. that is the Child of Promise a heavenly Issac An Israel of God that is born in humanity via the seed of Christ....Just as Isaac was offered up then came the 1st Promise. i will multiply thy seed etc. But issac neva died, But Christ actually died thus this 2 nd Promise is of most significance to humanity an Israel of God will result resulting in a Perfect Israel, The Ram caught in the thicket by his horns on his head was symbolic of Christ and his crown of thorns on his head....The Jehoveh Jira

When Jesus said behold i send the Promise of my FATHER upon you that was the baptism of the H.G. The Child of PRomise. The New Covenant a birthing covenant via a heavenly seed sown in mans heart that will result in a Child of Promise which is the H.G. When they argued among themselves who was the greatest Jesus set a Child in their midst

symbolic of the Child of Promise that is the greatest.

Hi Alex; After reading what you wrote I agree that there is a spiritual Israel, the Apostle Paul wrote in Romans 2:29 all Christians are circumcised in their hearts and are Jews, meaning all people regardless of color or nationality, male or female, we are now the heirs of the promises of Abraham. Galatians 3:29 However, I do not agree that God has or ever will have a grandson, The Holy Ghost is God in the doctrine of the godhead Colossians 2:9 and all Christians are his children, not his grand children.

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Alex and those reading,

Again, I will say that neither God the Father, Son, nor the Holy Spirit is rebirthed in any believer. God does not replicate Himself via a seed, as Alex has stated numerous times. Nor does God multiply Himself through a divine seed that is implanted in us to birth a Holy Ghost. This doctrine is closely associated with the doctrine of the deification of man, which most people view as erroneous, heretical teaching. When one begins wit one false teaching, it is an easy step to the next false teaching that is built on the first. Alex, I believe that this is what you have done and you propogate these false teachings often in your posts here.

Gi Gi you do greatly err , The very mystery of the Kingdom of God is Christ in you , My lil Children of whom i travail in birth till Christ is formed in you. You understand nothin bout the Kingdom of God, Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in. When we are bornagain we birth a new Spirit ,our old body is not born again .The seed of the sower results in a baby Christ ,That New BORN BABE DESIRING the sincere milk of the word is the H.G. THE Child of PROMISE, The multiplication of Christ in us. A new innerman, That new creature, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision but a new creature is what pleases God. Don't you know anything at all about a birth, Jesus is sowing seed of his self. Thats y he has to know US Unless the Lord of the sabbath had left us a SEED WE WD HAVE BEEN MADE LIKE UNTO SODOM AND GOMARRAH...His seed is his word thus he propagates in the spirit simply b/c his seed are his Words which are spirit and life.....When Isaiah saw the Kingdom coming 9 : 6 ..he said unto us a Child is born, Unto us a son is given,Thats y Jesus is saying unless ya receive the Kingdom as a lil Child etc a heavenly birth you will in no wise enter there in ....Try to understand that Jesus is also our bridegroom . Thus there is a CHILD IN OUR FUTURE, Which is the H.G. THAT CHILD OF Promise....And Jesus also tells us that to whom the word came it made them

Gods so we know he is sowing the very seeds of God which are spirit as the H.G. is spirit as GOD....Remember GiGi what so ever a man sows he will reap. Jesus is sowing the seeds of God THE LIVING WORD thus he will reap Gods the H.G.... Knowledge shall cover the earth as the waters covers the seas...Gi Gi what are you gonna do when the N.T. tells us 10 times we must birth a new innerman. As the mystery of the Kingdom of God is CHRIST in you. And 27 times in the O.T. the prophets saw this world in travail and birth pains......

Hiya Bro. Lyle Lee sure enjoyed your take on Gal. 4 Gbu

Hi Alex; all glory to God, I am just trying to reveal truth as the Lord has inspired me to understand what truth is.