Peter was commanding water baptism even after that God had baptised them with the H.G. the only baptism that can make us clean .The only baptism of PROMISE ,Peter was in essence saying that the blood didn't make them Clean
he was impling they needed water baptism the blood was insufficiant which was a slap in the face of God and the lamb of God....Thats y the lord rebuked peter 3 times with that sheet with all the unclean animals which was the Church that made
Clean that was knit at the 4 corners as the blood of the lamb is knit with the 4 gospels .All the unclean animals in that sheet was The Church that was made clean by the blood of the lamb not water baptism that peter was commanding....But after that Peter understood the vision he says then remembered I the Words Of our lord ..John baptised you with water but i will baptise you with the H.G. AND FIRE.. John 11 : 16 KJV...When Peter was commanding water baptism he was impling they were not made clean by baptism of the .H.G. THAT ORIGINATED FROM THE CROSS, HIS BLOOD ETC
Thats y the lord was so upset with Peter,..Peter should have been preaching behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world not Johns water baptism .Even Paul was reluctant to preach water baptism saying it wd make the blood of no effect....And I understand that ....Even in the O.T. blood had to be applied to the doorpost not water, But the BLOOD IS NOW APPLIED TO THE DOORPOST OF OUR HEARTS. VIA HIS WORDS THE SEEDS OF THE SOWER THE LIVING WORDS OF GOD...As his words are the blood spritually speaking...Thats y he is saying you are made clean by the word
i have spoken unto you...As Jesus was the living word made flesh and BLOOD...Every day is communion under the new covenant. ...Thus every day is passover under the New Covenant....Behold i make all things New
Alex, I think it is a bit arrogant to judge that Peter was somehow not working under the inspiration and direction of the Holy Spirit when he insisted that those who had received the empowerment of the Holy Spirit be baptized in water.
Just imagine, 2000 years later, some think that they know better than Peter. Hmmm.
Gi Gi It was God the Father that rebuked Peter saying what i have made clean ( by the blood ) do not call common or unclean...IN that vision God was showing Peter something made Clean that Peter was impling was not Clean. The Church
Peter was impling that the baptism of the H.G. did not make them Clean they needed water baptism to be made clean
Thats y the Lord was so upset with Peter, Rebuking him 3 times with that sheet, all of the unclean animals in that sheet
was the Church that was made clean by the blood of the lamb not water baptism that Peter was commanding......Peter
does not command water baptism again after ACTS 10 & 11....He knew he had done wrong after he understood the vision
He said then remembered I the words of our lord ..John baptised you with water but i will baptise you with the H.G.
Acts 11 : 16..... Acts 11 : 17 who was I that cd withstand God...The GENTILES were gona be made clean by baptism of
the H.G. NOT WATER BAPTISM.....As water baptism cannot remit sins, if it cd then Jesus shed his blood in vain.
You have misconstrued and misapplied your views into this passage and therefore, your post is deceitful to those reading
Your quotations from Acts chapter 11 does not support your interpretation in any way. Peter was recalling the words of contrasting the baptism of John and that of Jesus, (who baptized in water across the Jordan after John baptized Jesus). Jesus always baptized with water and the Holy Spirit.
Alex, I don't mind that you post your ideas on here. It gives me and others an opportunity to contrast your erroneous teachings with correct orthodox teaching and interpretations that do not butcher the Scripture text as you do. I know this sounds harsh, but I must say this for the sake of correctly showing forth the truth of God's word.
To all of those reading these posts between Alex and I, beware of what Alex says.
But Peter heard God say "what God have cleansed you must not call common (unclean and unworthy of God's attention).
And in this vision God was preparing Him to step into the fulfillment of this prophecy in his soon to be encounter with the household of Cornelius. He admits his understanding of the prophetic word by what he said in verse 28: "You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to onw of another nation. But God has shown me that I should" not call any man common or unclean. Peter then listened as Cornelius encountered the wonderful way God worked in his life over the past few weeks. Peter then affirms the prophecy by speaking by the Holy Spirit beginning in verse 34. He said, "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.: and then proceeds to preach the gospel to Cornelius's household.
While Peter was still speaking the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. And those who were circumcised (Jews) with Peter were astonished, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
Then Peter said in verse 47 "Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who aver received the Holy Spirit, just as we have?" So Peter and the Jewish believers with him baptized Cornelius and all his household.
This is the a truthful interpretation of this chapter, Alex. It doesn't need to have the added ideas you tried to insert into it to fit your narrative. Also, it does say that Peter commanded them (by the Holy Spirit) to be baptize the new Gentile believers in water at this time, not what you stated. Nor did the chapter state that the outpouring of the Holy Spirit was a "baptism". Nor did Peter imply that the outpouring was not an action of grace (cleansing) . Peter did not think or say anything to signify that He thought he did wrong by having the Gentile believers baptized in water. .......
Alex, I just re-read Acts chapter 10. I don't know where you get your thinking from, but I doubt it is from the Spirit of Jesus in this matter. You have added and interjected Your ideas into the Scripture account in an incoherent way, again
God was not rebuking Peter in this account in any way. God gave Peter this vision for several reasons. First, God wanted to re-order Peter's thinking from a mind shaped by Jewish tradition, to one that is shaped by the Spirit. Secondly, God wanted to give a prophecy to the church through this vision-that salvation is for both Jews and Gentiles. And thirdly, God wanted to prepare Peter to step forward in this prophecy that very day with the household of Cornelius, a Gentile who had already been made clean by the Spirit of God.
In this vision God was permitting Peter to let go of the lifelong deeply held traditions of his Jewish heritage and see the world through God's eyes in this age of the Messiah, who had now come, finally. And God demonstrated tis release from these traditions with showing Peter foods that are unclean according to Jewish dietary laws, of which Peter had never once eaten. God said to Peter, "Take and eat." God was challenging Peter to obey God over what he thought was right before God. God was also showing Peter that He was able to make and declare clean whatever He willed to make to be clean-not man's determination. Implying to Peter that it was not a sin for him to now eat of such foods that God had determined unclean in the time before the Messiah's coming.
In the vision, God was telling forth a prophecy that God was going to be the God of all wo believe in Jesus, not just the Jews. This was radical thinking for a Jew. They believed that since they were chosen by God, that their "race" was superior to all others and that Gentiles were not as human as they were. They thought that Gentiles were "unclean" and not to be interacted with, especially in terms of fellowship or sharing in faith in the true God..
he was impling they needed water baptism the blood was insufficiant which was a slap in the face of God and the lamb of God....Thats y the lord rebuked peter 3 times with that sheet with all the unclean animals which was the Church that made
Clean that was knit at the 4 corners as the blood of the lamb is knit with the 4 gospels .All the unclean animals in that sheet was The Church that was made clean by the blood of the lamb not water baptism that peter was commanding....But after that Peter understood the vision he says then remembered I the Words Of our lord ..John baptised you with water but i will baptise you with the H.G. AND FIRE.. John 11 : 16 KJV...When Peter was commanding water baptism he was impling they were not made clean by baptism of the .H.G. THAT ORIGINATED FROM THE CROSS, HIS BLOOD ETC
Thats y the lord was so upset with Peter,..Peter should have been preaching behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world not Johns water baptism .Even Paul was reluctant to preach water baptism saying it wd make the blood of no effect....And I understand that ....Even in the O.T. blood had to be applied to the doorpost not water, But the BLOOD IS NOW APPLIED TO THE DOORPOST OF OUR HEARTS. VIA HIS WORDS THE SEEDS OF THE SOWER THE LIVING WORDS OF GOD...As his words are the blood spritually speaking...Thats y he is saying you are made clean by the word
i have spoken unto you...As Jesus was the living word made flesh and BLOOD...Every day is communion under the new covenant. ...Thus every day is passover under the New Covenant....Behold i make all things New
Just imagine, 2000 years later, some think that they know better than Peter. Hmmm.
Peter was impling that the baptism of the H.G. did not make them Clean they needed water baptism to be made clean
Thats y the Lord was so upset with Peter, Rebuking him 3 times with that sheet, all of the unclean animals in that sheet
was the Church that was made clean by the blood of the lamb not water baptism that Peter was commanding......Peter
does not command water baptism again after ACTS 10 & 11....He knew he had done wrong after he understood the vision
He said then remembered I the words of our lord ..John baptised you with water but i will baptise you with the H.G.
Acts 11 : 16..... Acts 11 : 17 who was I that cd withstand God...The GENTILES were gona be made clean by baptism of
the H.G. NOT WATER BAPTISM.....As water baptism cannot remit sins, if it cd then Jesus shed his blood in vain.
You have misconstrued and misapplied your views into this passage and therefore, your post is deceitful to those reading
Your quotations from Acts chapter 11 does not support your interpretation in any way. Peter was recalling the words of contrasting the baptism of John and that of Jesus, (who baptized in water across the Jordan after John baptized Jesus). Jesus always baptized with water and the Holy Spirit.
Alex, I don't mind that you post your ideas on here. It gives me and others an opportunity to contrast your erroneous teachings with correct orthodox teaching and interpretations that do not butcher the Scripture text as you do. I know this sounds harsh, but I must say this for the sake of correctly showing forth the truth of God's word.
To all of those reading these posts between Alex and I, beware of what Alex says.
But Peter heard God say "what God have cleansed you must not call common (unclean and unworthy of God's attention).
And in this vision God was preparing Him to step into the fulfillment of this prophecy in his soon to be encounter with the household of Cornelius. He admits his understanding of the prophetic word by what he said in verse 28: "You know how unlawful it is for a Jewish man to keep company with or go to onw of another nation. But God has shown me that I should" not call any man common or unclean. Peter then listened as Cornelius encountered the wonderful way God worked in his life over the past few weeks. Peter then affirms the prophecy by speaking by the Holy Spirit beginning in verse 34. He said, "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.: and then proceeds to preach the gospel to Cornelius's household.
While Peter was still speaking the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. And those who were circumcised (Jews) with Peter were astonished, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
Then Peter said in verse 47 "Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who aver received the Holy Spirit, just as we have?" So Peter and the Jewish believers with him baptized Cornelius and all his household.
This is the a truthful interpretation of this chapter, Alex. It doesn't need to have the added ideas you tried to insert into it to fit your narrative. Also, it does say that Peter commanded them (by the Holy Spirit) to be baptize the new Gentile believers in water at this time, not what you stated. Nor did the chapter state that the outpouring of the Holy Spirit was a "baptism". Nor did Peter imply that the outpouring was not an action of grace (cleansing) . Peter did not think or say anything to signify that He thought he did wrong by having the Gentile believers baptized in water. .......
God was not rebuking Peter in this account in any way. God gave Peter this vision for several reasons. First, God wanted to re-order Peter's thinking from a mind shaped by Jewish tradition, to one that is shaped by the Spirit. Secondly, God wanted to give a prophecy to the church through this vision-that salvation is for both Jews and Gentiles. And thirdly, God wanted to prepare Peter to step forward in this prophecy that very day with the household of Cornelius, a Gentile who had already been made clean by the Spirit of God.
In this vision God was permitting Peter to let go of the lifelong deeply held traditions of his Jewish heritage and see the world through God's eyes in this age of the Messiah, who had now come, finally. And God demonstrated tis release from these traditions with showing Peter foods that are unclean according to Jewish dietary laws, of which Peter had never once eaten. God said to Peter, "Take and eat." God was challenging Peter to obey God over what he thought was right before God. God was also showing Peter that He was able to make and declare clean whatever He willed to make to be clean-not man's determination. Implying to Peter that it was not a sin for him to now eat of such foods that God had determined unclean in the time before the Messiah's coming.
In the vision, God was telling forth a prophecy that God was going to be the God of all wo believe in Jesus, not just the Jews. This was radical thinking for a Jew. They believed that since they were chosen by God, that their "race" was superior to all others and that Gentiles were not as human as they were. They thought that Gentiles were "unclean" and not to be interacted with, especially in terms of fellowship or sharing in faith in the true God..
from Jesus Christ himself and raised in the Judean law my mind would be saying got to have water and
circumcision. In the book of Acts God Had to show Him a Vision to Go to the gentiles house for them to be
born again because the Judeans considered them basically pigs. So your dealing with a transition period in
understanding but not in Heart. I believe and see the same thing today people believe god in their hearts but
need help in understanding.
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