Warning: session_start(): open(/var/lib/lsphp/session/lsphp80/sess_i6rc4s7pf6ptlud1qn1ourt537, O_RDWR) failed: No space left on device (28) in /home/kjv.site/public_html/Discussion-Thread/index.php on line 2
Warning: session_start(): Failed to read session data: files (path: /var/lib/lsphp/session/lsphp80) in /home/kjv.site/public_html/Discussion-Thread/index.php on line 2 BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 176738
When Jesus comes for the second time in battle array with his armies and fights that battle WHO is taking care of the rest of the universe? Nobody? Or God the father?
And also, when the new Jerusalem comes down and people that are saved dwell there with Jesus, and Him being the light of that city, what is outside the city? or is there anything outside the city?
Is this when Jesus becomes just one Jesus? No more God the Father?no Holy Spirit ? etc. am I making any sense?
It's good to ask questions I firmly believe that. I also believe it it's OK to ask God questions.
I always kind of just believe that we know in part and we prophesy in part and we're seeing through a glass darkly so basically I translate that to myself as God only allowed us to know certain things right now because it's very clear that the world and the spirit beings in the world and the human spirits in the world would take that information and use it against fight God and try to conquer the entire universe and beyond and kick God off his throne which will never happen . So why would he give us all the information of the universe.?. It makes total sense to me that he would hide some things from us and not give us wisdom in those areas
In Matthew 24 Jesus said take heed that no man deceive you. This is the tool that darkness uses and when we are deceived, we are taken out of the way. You are correct we will not know everything because not all have been revealed. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and only in Him do we have salvation, He is the cornerstone that the foundation is laid. In 1 Corinthians 3:10 it tells us; According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
This is where man has blundered, man trying to define or dictate what he truly cannot comprehend or has not been revealed to him. Do not ever doubt your salvation because of confusion caused by man. Let the Holy Spirit guide you and when things that some teach cause confusion and cause doubt, that is not of God.
Matthew 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
We tend to follow the crowd, we should not let the majority guide us, with prayer and a clear mind study this and let the Holy Spirit show you the truth. It would be helpful to study how this doctrine began, why it began, who developed it, how many deaths it caused, and why has it become fundamental, and if you do not believe and confess it you are not a Christian but a heretic.
May the Holy Spirit of truth guide you in Jesus' name.
Donna, God never changes. None of His Persons can end or stop "being". In the Trinity, all three Persons have always existed together and will always exist together in perfect unity, harmony, and will, but still be distinct from one another in what is called the "Godhead" or whole being of God. They love each other and have perfect communion and a relationship with one another. God is not made of parts, however. He cannot be divided or pulled apart. That is why Jesus said, "If you have seen me you have seen the Father" (who is pure Spirit). Or "I and the Father are One." (a perfect union). In heaven, we will experience the Father (who is Spirit), the Son (who is Spirit), and the Holy Spirit (who is Spirit) in the person of Jesus Christ, who is fully God Spirit and fully man united in one person forever. The concept of the Trinity is pretty mindboggling. But as Adam stated, we are not to fully understand the Triune God, we are to believe in Him and what Scripture says of Him." We will be satisfied in Him without knowing all there is to know about Him because we are finite and He is infinite. Even in eternity we will have finiteness and therefore limits on all of our capacities that help us comprehend God but not fully know Him. He fully knows us, and we will know what is needed to know about Him. He is awesome and wonderful!
Hi Donna, Jesus is the second person of the Godhead. Yahweh created the heavens and the earth by his word which is Jesus. Jesus has all power in his hand. He can be on the earth and maintain the entire universe(or get this, maybe even universes) at the same time.
Yahweh says that he will make everything new. There will be no more darkness. The Holy City itself will be compact. I think there will be houses, land, and animals that are not within the Holy City itself.
There is and always will be God Father, God the Son, and God The Holy Spirt. They are each eternal and work in perfect accord.
How am I supposed to read the Bible and what am I supposed to do with all the times that Jesus speaks to God his father, or praise to him in the garden, or what about when they're all present at the same time? I don't claim to have all knowledge and wisdom. But what about the times Jesus refers to himself in the third person? Why does he do that?
I know that confusion is of the devil. And I have been feeling somewhat confused since I started attending a Pentecostal of oneness Jesus only church. I am a Trinitarian who didn't have a problem with my doctrine but apparently they do. I believe in God the father from the Bible I believe in Jesus Christ from the Bible I believe in the Holy Spirit from the Bible I believe that Jesus was with God in the beginning created all things I'm not positive whether Jesus Christ is God and is the Holy Spirit. That's why my questions sound crazy. Why would God do that to us? Why wouldn't he just be Jesus from the start if there were no others?
Hi Donna. Just further to the other good comments. I've always found it easiest to understand the Trinity by looking at the trinity of mankind. Even though this analogy falls way short of an adequate interpretation, it does help - and no doubt you've heard it before.
In 1 Thessalonians 5:23, Paul speaks of the whole person when he prays for them: spirit, soul & body (man's trinity). If we look at that more deeply, we see that we cannot exist as God intended if one aspect of our trinity is missing or absent. What would you be like without a body but only a soul & spirit? Or being a spirit without body & soul? We would be deficient, or could say, incomplete as people.
Likewise, God Who is One God, exists with three aspects (or, persons) in His Being. Maybe, that's one way that He created man in His Image. God wouldn't be Who He is without His Word (now made flesh in Jesus) & His Spirit. But God in His great Wisdom & Power, which we don't possess, is able to send out Jesus & His Spirit to accomplish His Will in the heavenlies & Earth. Jesus, God's Word, is involved in all creation, Who proceeded from God to instigate the re-creating of sinful man. The Holy Spirit of God, has always been sent out to empower people, to empower God's Word, & to infill special ones with God's Presence.
So God is still God but He chooses to effect His Will & Work in the worlds by His Own Actions - & this He does through His Word (Jesus) & His Spirit. We can't ever do that type of work from our being, but we can allow Him to affect our lives fully: body, soul, & spirit, so that we might be acceptable by Him & be used of Him as His witnesses in this world.
That's good that you are seeking the truth in the scriptures. You may consider praying and asking God for wisdom in regards to your questions.
The topic of Jesus and God has been frequently discussed in these forums. You can probably find them by doing an advanced search for those keywords.
If I understand one of your questions correct its if Jesus is God how why did He pray to Himself? And how can you be separate, but one at the same time? I think these questions conflate a few things. In our world we don't have anything similar to what is described in the Bible and try to make sense of it in human terms, but unfortunately in attempting to do so, often the truth of God's Word is then distorted and can turn into false teaching. Basically, I put my trust in God's word and believe what it says. I believe what it says instead of what a human being says. If someone preaches something other than what it says, I don't believe them.
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
How "one" are they and how "three" are they? We don't know, but it says the three are one so I believe it. If a man says the "three are three" that is untrue, because that's not what Bible says. If a man says "only one is one" and the other two are not "one", that is also untrue, because that's not what the Bible says.
Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image"
"Let us" is plural, more than one.
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
"The Word was God."
It says Jesus is the Word in verse 14, so the Bible says Jesus is God.
If it says it then I choose to believe it, even though I don't 100% comprehend how the 3 is 1 and 1 is 3 simultaneously.
Philippians 2:5-8 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
Adam, thank you. I know that the enemy of my soul would like me to doubt my salvation and doubt the word of God. I do believe every word of God in the Bible. :-).
Donna, You are correct to feel concerned about the "Oneness" teaching you are encountering in this church fellowship you are attending. This "oneness" doctrine is false teaching. It as cropped up within the church many times over the centuries and the church has refuted it thoroughly every time and determined it to be heresy, Today we are in a time or "anything goes" within the church and "don't make anyone feel bad by 'judging' their views. But this type of climate breeds false and spiritually dangerous doctrines. My suggestion is to leave this "oneness" church and pray for God to lead you to a true trinitarian fellowship.
And also, when the new Jerusalem comes down and people that are saved dwell there with Jesus, and Him being the light of that city, what is outside the city? or is there anything outside the city?
Is this when Jesus becomes just one Jesus? No more God the Father?no Holy Spirit ? etc. am I making any sense?
It's good to ask questions I firmly believe that. I also believe it it's OK to ask God questions.
I always kind of just believe that we know in part and we prophesy in part and we're seeing through a glass darkly so basically I translate that to myself as God only allowed us to know certain things right now because it's very clear that the world and the spirit beings in the world and the human spirits in the world would take that information and use it against fight God and try to conquer the entire universe and beyond and kick God off his throne which will never happen . So why would he give us all the information of the universe.?. It makes total sense to me that he would hide some things from us and not give us wisdom in those areas
In Matthew 24 Jesus said take heed that no man deceive you. This is the tool that darkness uses and when we are deceived, we are taken out of the way. You are correct we will not know everything because not all have been revealed. Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and only in Him do we have salvation, He is the cornerstone that the foundation is laid. In 1 Corinthians 3:10 it tells us; According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
This is where man has blundered, man trying to define or dictate what he truly cannot comprehend or has not been revealed to him. Do not ever doubt your salvation because of confusion caused by man. Let the Holy Spirit guide you and when things that some teach cause confusion and cause doubt, that is not of God.
Matthew 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
We tend to follow the crowd, we should not let the majority guide us, with prayer and a clear mind study this and let the Holy Spirit show you the truth. It would be helpful to study how this doctrine began, why it began, who developed it, how many deaths it caused, and why has it become fundamental, and if you do not believe and confess it you are not a Christian but a heretic.
May the Holy Spirit of truth guide you in Jesus' name.
God bless,
RLW
Yahweh says that he will make everything new. There will be no more darkness. The Holy City itself will be compact. I think there will be houses, land, and animals that are not within the Holy City itself.
There is and always will be God Father, God the Son, and God The Holy Spirt. They are each eternal and work in perfect accord.
answers one of your questions. Whats outside the new Jerusalem.
In 1 Thessalonians 5:23, Paul speaks of the whole person when he prays for them: spirit, soul & body (man's trinity). If we look at that more deeply, we see that we cannot exist as God intended if one aspect of our trinity is missing or absent. What would you be like without a body but only a soul & spirit? Or being a spirit without body & soul? We would be deficient, or could say, incomplete as people.
Likewise, God Who is One God, exists with three aspects (or, persons) in His Being. Maybe, that's one way that He created man in His Image. God wouldn't be Who He is without His Word (now made flesh in Jesus) & His Spirit. But God in His great Wisdom & Power, which we don't possess, is able to send out Jesus & His Spirit to accomplish His Will in the heavenlies & Earth. Jesus, God's Word, is involved in all creation, Who proceeded from God to instigate the re-creating of sinful man. The Holy Spirit of God, has always been sent out to empower people, to empower God's Word, & to infill special ones with God's Presence.
So God is still God but He chooses to effect His Will & Work in the worlds by His Own Actions - & this He does through His Word (Jesus) & His Spirit. We can't ever do that type of work from our being, but we can allow Him to affect our lives fully: body, soul, & spirit, so that we might be acceptable by Him & be used of Him as His witnesses in this world.
Everything is covered. God Bless
That's good that you are seeking the truth in the scriptures. You may consider praying and asking God for wisdom in regards to your questions.
The topic of Jesus and God has been frequently discussed in these forums. You can probably find them by doing an advanced search for those keywords.
If I understand one of your questions correct its if Jesus is God how why did He pray to Himself? And how can you be separate, but one at the same time? I think these questions conflate a few things. In our world we don't have anything similar to what is described in the Bible and try to make sense of it in human terms, but unfortunately in attempting to do so, often the truth of God's Word is then distorted and can turn into false teaching. Basically, I put my trust in God's word and believe what it says. I believe what it says instead of what a human being says. If someone preaches something other than what it says, I don't believe them.
1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
How "one" are they and how "three" are they? We don't know, but it says the three are one so I believe it. If a man says the "three are three" that is untrue, because that's not what Bible says. If a man says "only one is one" and the other two are not "one", that is also untrue, because that's not what the Bible says.
Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image"
"Let us" is plural, more than one.
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
"The Word was God."
It says Jesus is the Word in verse 14, so the Bible says Jesus is God.
If it says it then I choose to believe it, even though I don't 100% comprehend how the 3 is 1 and 1 is 3 simultaneously.
Philippians 2:5-8 "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"
"form of"
"equal with"
This comment thread is locked. Please enter a new comment below to start a new comment thread.
Note: Comment threads older than 2 months are automatically locked.
Do you have a Bible comment or question?
Posting comments is currently unavailable due to high demand on the server.
Please check back in an hour or more. Thank you for your patience!
Report Comment
Which best represents the problem with the comment?