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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 176817

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  • Adam - 2 years ago
    I would like to lift up in prayer the female officer who was pronounced guilty of murder for accidentally shooting someone. Most people know this isn't justice and is just more political persecution. Most people know that the occupation of a police officer is extremely difficult and stressful and every day they risk their own lives to protect us. Sadly, they are getting very little respect. The same loud social justice warriors on TV who screamed that its wrong to blame all muslims for 9/11 (even though the Quran literally instructs them to murder non-believers), have reversed their position and now are blaming ALL police officers for a few accidents from the few. It's total hypocrisy.

    Meanwhile the black police officer who shot and killed a white female protestor in the Capitol building hasn't even been arrested for anything to my knowledge. One accidentally shoots someone and is going to prison, the other intentionally shot someone and is free. We are seeing very different standards based on the color of ones skin and that is the definition of racial discrimination. The goal used to be that all would be treated as equals, not that some have privileges over others.

    Anti discrimination laws and efforts actually cause discrimination. Asians often have the best SAT scores and are denied acceptance into colleges, because they already met their racial quota. None of this is what Martin Luther King Jr. had in mind when he gave his equality speech. He would be shocked to see what has been happening in the world lately with things going backwards.

    Now people are discriminated against based on their private health records, violating HIPAA laws. So, if you haven't had a dangerous experimental injection that you have a chance of dying from then you can't work, eat in a restaurant, go the gym. People have lost their minds over false information and false assumptions.

    May God bless the leaders in this world and reveal the truth. Praying for all injustices.
  • GiGi again - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Spencer,

    My intentions are never to divide and I don't think that is the intent of others who post things that I may be sensitive to or others may be sensitive to and the poster is not aware of these sensitivities. I don't think anyone on this site should be the one to determine what should be discussed on here or not. The admin can do that. Also, I hope that you will give me the benefit of the doubt that my intentions are good, just like I give that benefit to you and others But we can let this go. I think we have spoken our hearts on this and that is the best we can do for now.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi GiGi,

    Thanks for your reply,

    I know absolutely Nothing about the case you are referring too.

    I know very little on the other case!!

    You would be surprised on how little I know. With out revisiting and going into detail. I thought I did answer your question, I wasn't arguing the cases, My point was well stated weeks ago. This is not a place to we should bring up such an issue that Devides.

    I wasn't following these posts. I was posting or replying to something else, then I ran into your reply. I couldn't believe that was back up!

    That's when I went to the source of the issue. I didn't take sides with the case I agreed that there shouldn't be no bias when it comes to racism. I never past judgment on the case. I too speak boldly, But that don't make me right all the time. l don't agree that we can say or do as we please and not edify Christ. We are to be ambassadors for Christ. Taking care of "His Business" in a foreign land. Christ Business is to bring those out of that foreign land into his marvellous light.

    Do you know, I don't think there is a verse in the Bible that says go out and save the world, We are to take the gospel to the ends of the earth. Let God judge the quick and the dead!

    Note:

    I'm not saying we shouldn't give our Christian perspective on a matter, But be careful on taking sides on such cases that Devides! We don't know, And it's tragic to get it wrong. When we entangle ourselves in these matters Carnality manifest itsself in that way.

    I would like to leave off right there in this particular matter concerning the cases but I will comment further on our walk and Identification.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Amen Brother David,

    Romans 12:2-3. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

    For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

    Thanks for the reply,

    God bless you.
  • GiGi again - In Reply - 2 years ago
    yep, David, you are right. There is no one like our God, NO ONE. We have such a privilege of approaching the Father through Christ by the work of the Holy Spirit. To know that all Persons of the Godhead live as One unified Being whom all three have worked salvation on our behalf is a great comfort. Knowing that we have a Father who knows us and loves us intimately through Jesus, His Son, by the work of the Holy Spirit who dwells in us, is one of the greatest truths of all time. God did not make us and then just leave us to ourselves. He had a plan and a purpose set before all time to rbing to Himself a people redeemed from start to finish by and for Him. Hallelujah!
  • Fred - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Your thoughts and prayers should be in all true believers hearts. Everything you are seeing are the consequences of sin. Most assuredly money and the corruption of it, have motivated the hearts of nations and peoples! The times of sorrow may have arrived, I will pray for those who are in prison that should not be their. The day of judgment has arrived! Come Lord Jesus Come!
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Adam.

    I agree with everything you have said on this thread, Racism has always been around and always will be.

    So has every other evil until the prince of peace comes. But that is the world that we are called out of!!

    It's he that is behind the scene and our wicked flesh where the problem lies.

    ( Ephesians 6:12.)

    We are to be a light and a workman to lead people out of darkness.

    ( 2 Corinthians 4:6.)

    I've seen this darkness up close and experienced it in several Churches.

    Do you expect the world to act any other way? There has to be a new birth and baptism of the Holyspirit,

    A new nature given,

    A New heart of flesh,

    THERE HAS TO BE THE DEATH OF THE OLD MAN WHO'S MARRIED TO THE WORLD.

    IF WE TRUST IN CHRIST WE WERE BAPTIZED INTO HIS DEATH, THAT'S THE OLD MAN. ONE WHO FAILED TO COME TO THE LORD PRESENTING THE WORKS OF THE FLESH. TWICE DEAD,

    But as for us.

    Ephesians 2:1-6. And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

    Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

    Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

    But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

    Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

    And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

    God bless.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Spencer, not meaning to be contentious at all ere, but I am wondering why you are accepting of this post about tis officer and not the post about Officer Chauvin. Seems inconsistent to me. But perhaps you can explain. It confuses me. (Or maybe it is that you agree with the opinion of one and not the other.) Maybe you can tell me. I want to understand.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi GIGI.

    I've been enjoying family and took time away from my email. But in response to your question.

    I wasn't agreeing to the posting, I agreed that there should be no partiality when the world judges. That is why I consciously said ' I believe everything he said on (THAT THREAD).

    I also said-

    My quote: But that is the world that we are called out of!!

    It's he that is behind the scenes and our wicked flesh where the problem lies.

    Ephesians 6:12.

    We are to be a light and a workman to lead people out of darkness.

    2 Corinthians 4:6.

    I've seen this darkness up close and experienced it in several Churches.

    Do you expect the world to act any other way? There has to be a new birth and baptism of the Holyspirit,

    A new nature given, A New heart of flesh,

    THERE HAS TO BE THE DEATH OF THE OLD MAN WHO'S MARRIED TO THE WORLD.

    IF WE TRUST IN CHRIST WE WERE BAPTIZED INTO HIS DEATH, THAT'S THE OLD MAN. ONE WHO FAILED TO COME TO THE LORD PRESENTING THE WORKS OF THE FLESH. TWICE DEAD,

    But as for us.

    Ephesians 2:1-6.

    End quote.

    My point was we're no better than them apart from the Holyspirit.

    Here's why I took issue with your post.

    Here is a direct copy of a portion of your post that bothers me.

    Now quoting:

    It is truly sad that racism is so injected into these situations. It has always been wrong to racially mistreat people and it still is. However, I fear that those who are presently dominating the racism today feel justified since

    "they are turning the racism back on white people and the police,"

    End quote.

    Who's the "THEY" you are referring to? You sound a little partial and bias when it comes to certain groups!

    The thing is Some of the "THEY" you are referring to is Christian too. And been on this site every day and far longer than you. I am sure we prayed for a many of them.

    If they ask for prayer, they see it as much more than just a site we vent on. They see God's people gathered!

    That's why I said we should be careful in what we entertain.

    God bless.
  • David - In Reply - 2 years ago
    S. Spencer Amen brother without holy Spirit we would be as lost as everybody else without God and

    without Hope but we have the hope of Christ return and are energized daily by our new Nature in Him.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Dear Spencer,

    Just so you know, I am not venting and I do not think others are either when they speak sincerely about the vaccine or the national issues facing us in our present times. These are all legitimate concerns that have a place on a site like this because they affect us and the work of Christ in our nation, communities, families, and friends. We should be prayerful and specifically name and explain our concerns so people can join with us to pray for such things just as people submit prayer requests for other matters, such as world disasters, or personal ones that so many have experienced and seek prayer for. It seems I touched a nerve with some on this topic. That may be, but also, those who it may have should also understand that they can just as easily strike a nerve in me or anyone else on here by what they post. I don't believe in "chilling" of free speech on a forum such as this. I think we should be charitable and, as you say, conscious of what is put forth. I think I have done that, and I think that of others, too. We all have our sensitivities and it isn't really for us to know what they are on a site like this unless the administration spells it out for us. It is for the Spirit to lead and guide us in our conversation. I am one that can engage in what some would call "strong" conversation. That is not good or bad. It just should be Spirit led and engaged in prayerfully. I fully understand that many on here have been posting for far longer than I. That does not delegitimize my ideas. I also fully understand that many on here do not like to read such "strong" comments. I am not trying to insult nor convince anyone. I just feel that it is really good for people to hear strong, reasoned responses on this site. It stretches us and helps us grow and seek to go to other sources to find out more of what someone may have stated. That is my take on this. You may agree or disagree. I am good with that. The word says to "speak the truth in love" and I do.
  • Rick - In Reply - 2 years ago
    S. Spencer We believers need to keep in mind that we live in The Age of grace but its like the Apostle Paul

    says in 1 Corinthians 4:3 this is mans day Paul didn't judge Himself or count mans judgement. That's why on

    the court systems judgements are being made way off Gods Word because its man's judgement or man's day.

    But like you shared we focus on Christ and Gods word to keep above it all in the new man nature.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Amen Brother Rick.

    Times are tough, and the Lord will judge his Church.

    1 Peter 4:17-18.

    You rekon since this is just a site we can say what we want as a Child of God and escape from that Judgement?

    Here's another.

    Matthew 12:35-37. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.

    But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

    For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

    God bless.
  • Rick - In Reply - 2 years ago
    S. Spencer I apologized I never answered you question about saying whatever we want, I need to learn

    better to read what's written or focus anyway. No I don't believe we can because that is not walking in the

    wisdom of God and I endeavor to not ever let my spiritual Guard down but wise as serpents and harmless

    as doves which is in all meekness and humility which is constant renewed mind walk and work. That being

    said its worth it because of the fruit produced!
  • Rick - In Reply - 2 years ago
    S, Spencer A few scripture I have personally memorized the help me a lot James 3:16-18 and my personal

    favorite Philippians 4:8+9 mind you help me perfected ha ha not in this lifetime its still a day by day mental battle old man verses new creation. We all deal with the same dude. We keep putting off the old and putting in the new!
  • GiGi - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Spencer, thank you so much for what your response. I understand your point of view. the "they" I was referring to are anyone who is using racism to pay back white people for past racism. It isn't right to do that anymore than it was right for whites to use racism to mistreat anyone who is not white. I am not singling out any one group here, I am talking about the evil of racism, no matter who it is targeting. And people who are abreast of the current culture and news knows the problem we are having in these recent years with a racism that is promoted and supported by many in the news and politics. this is what I am referring to. I hope that clears up that for you.

    We do live in a sinful, vile, unloving, world that is turned against God and all of His goodness, except that those wo revile God and His ways, expect that people should treat them the way God calls us to treat people. As Christians, we are to reject such hypocritical expectations and instead live godly and uprightly in all so that we do not spread disrepute on the work and word of God.

    As to my asking you why you seemed oppositional to the discussion of one topic on Officer Chauvin and not so to the discussion of Officer Potts, since you have intimated that it was not correct to speak of one but did not say it was also not correct to speak of the other. It seemed inconsistent to me. I appreciate that you responded to me, however, you really did not answer this part of post, I believe. I respect if you do not wish to. We can move on. God bless.
  • Rick - In Reply - 2 years ago
    S. Spencer That our conversation in heaven, Gods Word Spiritual wheaties breakfast of Gods Champions!
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi brother Rick and Merry Christmas

    Thanks for replying, I've been entertaining family. but great scripture.

    God bless.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Adam, I am praying for the police officer. What a tragic mistake she made, despite her training. It is so obvious how terribly upset she was when she realized her mistake. may God grant her mercy in this situation and bring about a just and compassionate resolution for her. She never intended to hurt Dante. And she should be forgiven by his family and community. It is truly sad that racism is so injected into these situations. It has always been wrong to racially mistreat people and it still is. However, I fear that those who are presently dominating the racism today feel justified since they are turning the racism back on white people and the police, and the government and media are supporting this. So sad and harmful to our nation and individuals. God please help us end this now.
  • Only Christians Speak the Same Language - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Gigi, this is for you

    Beloved brothers and sisters, we as Christians are caught in a hard place, at the ending of this world. The Devil wants us to be SEPARATED. The Bible says: righteous judgment. We must stand with God. I know it's hard! God cured me of prejudice against stupid people. It hurt too. ouchy

    In my office one day (80 workers) the boss left a while. A loud debate on white vs all colors ensued. I prayed. Then I said I am black! (another prayer, Lord what are you doing?!)

    A dozen set of eyes pierced me (I'm 1/2 Cajun) They demanded explain yourself.



    I don't see the world through a color spectrum lense. I only see God and He is Spirit.

    In Nimrods rule: as long as everyone spoke the same language, they worked together. Didn't matter what color everybody was. Then, Languages were created, all different. They separated and moved away.

    I think satan saw this and went to work on promotion of something God hates: Pride. Separation mixed with pride. The Bible teaches God hates mixtures too. Satan is always perverting things God does. Remember? he had stolen Dominion from Adam and Eveso we know who changed Unity into Racism.

    God gave us his Son Jesus. ONLY CHRISTIANS speak the same language. That's how we can work together and live together and love together.

    Live Gods "Color". We know God loves colors. Look at flowers, birds, rocks :). May we all see with spiritual eyes and love like Jesus wants us to.

    Hate makes us reject the TRUTH standing before us__and his name is JESUS.

    GiGi, I can't fix this. God hasn't fixed this. That means the power to defeat Satan is in our words; from The Word, Jesus. Jesus defeated satan at the Cross and gave Christians Dominion, Power to use it in Jesus Name, BY HIS AUTHORITY that he gave to us!

    Our words give life and freedom, or death and bondage to sin; and SEPARATION from God.

    I'm out of space, but I pray for peace on you from Above.

    Mishael
  • Mishael - In Reply - 2 years ago
    To GiGi. Oh no, I was not singling out anyone. Forgive me if it sounded that way. There were numerous comments on that thread yesterday.

    I was persecuted by rich kids in high school because I wasn't (rich). I'm glad now. I had my eyes on straight, just as you did.

    You're my sister ok? We are family.

    That post I wrote came right out of the Holy Spirit, who had me up almost to dawn. I think He wants US to know "who" is responsible. Origins.

    We all know who chaos and confusion is. We just didn't know how and when it happened.

    I don't know where this is going.

    One day at work, I was boppin down the hallway singing that song without knowing, the IT guy was behind me (and I was oblivious to the hall surveillance cameras too). So he starts singing it too. Talk about fun in the Lord!

    I am not known for severity or self-importance. All I can say is God had his hand on me all of my life. Even when I almost self medicated myself to death and hell. I'm probably going to fight for the "rights" of the mistreated, poor, un-lovely, ignored people I meet. I got one message: God loves You!! And Jesus gave himself for Us

    I just saw a video of a million person street protest against a harsh government, in Brazil.

    The earth is hemorrhaging everywhere! The signs. Our public news media doesn't report on world-wide events. We think we've got it bad? Japan is shoveling out of 6 feet of snow! I think the Philippines was destroyed yesterday. I just saw an earthquake liquefaction, bury a city.

    I gotta get away in the closet. This is breaking my heart. Time to sow in tears.

    I hope we are ok. And blessed New Year to you and all others in this great website.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Mishael,

    Merry Christmas

    Yep, I agree, we are to love and treat everyone without prejudice. I was brought up that way and live that way. We have "mixed" genes in our families. I love that. It is hard for me to see racism displayed from anyone or group. So, we are on the same page, now. In the 60's when the civil rights movement grew and promoted changes away discrimination, I was all for that and glad for the voice of the movement that decried racism and unfair treatment of any group of people. Now, I see racism coming to a boiling point in our country today but it is now on the "other foot" so to speak, in many ways. so, I applaud voices that speak up to oppose it again. So, perhaps you misunderstood me. I oppose racism and discrimination, period.

    As believers, we have an obligation not only to oppose injustice, but to live in loving relationships with everyone we know or meet. I endeavor to do that, on both accounts. When discussing issues, one can be misunderstood easily. I get that. When living out our daily lives in the way that God would have us live, no one who knows me would infer that I mistreat others due to their race of ethnicity, or any other characteristic. So, I thought that it good to clarify this, as it seems that you may think I behave otherwise. I hope your day is wonderful as we celebrate that God came to us!
  • Rick - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Mishael Happy Holidays The entire epistle to the Philippians is primarily concerned about being the same

    mind, walking in the same fellowship, Phil. 1:5 fellowship in the Gospel,2:1 fellowship in the spirit,2:2 likeminded

    on accord and one mind,3:20 conversation in heaven, 4:2 be of the same mind, our fellowship is with God IN Christ.
  • Lauren - In Reply - 2 years ago
    That is beautiful Mishael. On this Christmas day, thank you for this Witness. I felt a leap Wiithin.



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