Bible Discussion Thread

I have been in church for over 63 years. Attended very well known Bible College so I am not a novice. I have questions which Pastors RUN from or honestly answer I don't know. Here is one such question. Show me one instance in the Bible where an angel possessed anyone. Prove to me by scripture an angel and demon are the same. Just because an angel falls it is still a 3 dimensional solid being, they are shape shifters but the only thing they lose when they fall is access to heaven. There is only one fallen angel that can enter heaven freely Satan. My point is demons are not fallen angels, Daniel 8:10 the fallen angels you think are demons are really captured and cast to earth and stamped on(held prisoner) by the antichrist. Demons are the disembodied souls of dead giants from before and after the flood. They are part human and part angel,hybrids that were never meant to exist. If they were angels they would've been chained in hell like the angels before the flood who fell, if they were human they would've been cast into the part of hell for humans. They are neither so they are disembodied and they crave a body now. They are not Nephilim they are Raphaim and the Bible says they will live again during the tribulation.

Eljer This is a challenging subject biblically angels true God, devils not demons opposite power,

agents that either work for the True God Angels or Satan devils. Examples of operation are by what they either

do positively or negatively affect mankind. Messengers of God Genesis 18:2 they appeared in front of Him then he

made food for them and they ate then they told Sarah about the son she would have GOOD NEWS then they

headed toward sodom and rescued lot and wife and daughters literally dragging them out. They can disappear

and reappear and operate Gods power when and if necessary always for the benefit of believers and Gods Will.

Now the other side they are invisible but what they cause is visible Mathew 9:32+33

and the man spake. The spiritual problem was eliminated and Gods Deliverance was manifested, Mathew 12:22+

23 the blind and dumb spake and saw. They are invisible but there work is visible to the senses. They knew who

Jesus Christ was Mathew 8:29 what have we to do with thee Son of the Most high God. You do not deal with this

unless God specifically tells you too, it is not a guessing game. God will make you aware of what to do or what not

to do. Notice Mathew 8:16 the Power of the spoken word when believed. The enemy and his messengers know who

Jesus Christ is and the authority he was Given and were terrified of Him. Our guard is being born again and renewed

mind walk in deliverance in Christ jesus by the spirit. Ephesians 6:12

Eljer777,

There are writings outside the Bible, these two are mentioned in the Bible, the book of Enoch, Jude 1:14, the book of Jasher, Joshua 10:11 2 Samuel 1:18 but are they the original books, and there are the writings of Josephus.

Scripture does tell us Satan entered Judas, John 13:27, we see in Matthew 12:26 Jesus said, if Satan cast out Satan, suggests he could possess someone, but Mark writes the same conversation, he writes Jesus is speaking in parables, Mark 3:23.

In Daniel 8 not covering Media and Persia, Alexander the Great, and the four it is Antiochus went plundering to place himself above all including God, Isaiah 14:13 is a good description of his intent. He almost destroyed Jerusalem and the worship of God by Israel and placed the abomination in the temple, but he failed. Host of heaven in Paganism are the sun, moon, stars, and planets that is worshiped, but this is not about angels.

Demons and angels are not the same but if you are looking for scripture it is not in the Bible we have. Fallen angels are not in scripture just a definition that has been given the bad ones. Some angels left their first estate and are locked in chains of darkness (bottomless pit), 2 Peter 2:4 Jude 1:6. They have a king, his name in Hebrew Abaddon, Greek Apollyon Revelation 9:1, the hell you speak of, in my understanding comes from Platonism and not scripture.

Revelation 12 that many places in the past but it is yet in the future, the battle is in heaven, so these angels still have access to heaven. When Satan and these angels are cast down to earth will be permanent because it says no more place is found in heaven, Revelation 12:8-12, my understanding this starts the 3.5 years of tribulation when Satan gives his seat, power, and authority to the beast.

There are evil beings on this earth 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 Ephesians 6:12, but how they got here is not in scripture.

Just a little information, may it not add to your questions.

God bless,

RLW