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Amen Brother Jesse.

God bless.

Hi April.

I don't believe being born of water through your mother has nothing to do with baptism at all.

The baptism mentioned in the early Church was given while the church was in a transition, They started as all Jews. Jesus said he came for the lost sheep of Israel. When Christ was glorified then he told them to go out to the whole world.

At the time Judaism was their religion which they had to denounce.

They were to be baptized as an act of belief. It wasn't for salvation. It was Identifying with the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.

Have you noticed Paul "one of the chief apostles" Was the apostle to the Gentiles and didn't put no emphasis on baptism?

1 Corinthians 1:17.

WOW! You mean Paul set up churches and ordained ministers such as Timothy and Titus and Christ didn't send him to baptize? Because the Gentiles wasn't bond to the ministry of death given by Moses ( that cause death ). You see baptism expressed the work Jesus came to do on the cross. ( Die in our place ) and rise the 3rd day.

Baptize means to identify with.

Here's how it is used in scripture.

1 Corinthians 10:2. You see the children of Israel was identified with Moses faith, not there own. They was scared and wanted to go back to Egypt. and the see didn't baptize them, They went over on dry land.

Here's another place it's used.

Mark 16:16. Here Jesus is not asking to do two things as it seems, " Believe and be baptized " He's asking one. " Believe ". When you done this you done the other! You've been pit into the body of believers and Identified with Christ. That's baptism of the Holyspirit.

EXAMPLE .

Your standing in front the TV. and someone ask you to sit down and get out the way. Once you sit down You've gotten out the way. and once you've believed you've been baptized.

And it's used like that in Acts 2:38. and several other places.

It plays no role in redemption, It's your outward profession in what you believe that has been taken place.

God bless.

Brother Spencer,

Well said!!!

Ty. I am not a member of the church that is teaching this. I watch several of the broadcast church program's. I am slightly confused about Genesis as well. I read the KJV every day. I also re-read multiple times to be sure I'm getting the whole correct story. I do sincerely believe in my heart &soul that I'm a Christian.Gen.1:27 (the sixth day) GOD created man in his own image, in the image of GOD created he him; male & female created he them.

Then Gen.2:7 and the Lord GOD formed man of the dust of the ground & breathed into his nostrils the breath of life & man became a living soul. So am I reading right that GOD had created the races before he created Adam & Eve? Ty for ur help. GOD BLESS YOU TOO.

Hi

Mathew 3:10-11.

I would like to add one or two more things that I believe is to be very important. Whether by water baptism or baptism by the Holyspirit, is it evident in your life that spiritual baptism has taken place.

You will run into 2 major groups engage on this topic. One group is those who believe you are saved by confessing Jesus and keeping the commandments. Some of this group believe you can lose your salvation. This group is bond to a work base religion.

The other group believes "for by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Even the faith you are being saved through is not your faith! it is a gift of God!

You have nothing to offer God in terms of salvation! I hold this view.

True baptism when you "GENUINELY" accept Christ as your savior there is production in your life that begins. You can't produce it or keep it from producing as you feed on the word.

I will share a few by verses below and hopefully others can expand on them or add to.

Notice Paul' he didn't have much to say about water baptism, but he had a lot to say about baptism by the Holyspirit.

Romans 6:4.

Romans 6:6-8.

Romans 6:11.

It does well to study all of Romans 6 to expand a little on "the production' of spiritual baptism.

JOHNS BAPTISM.

you can see a picture of this transition for the Jews drawn out for you by Paul in Romans 7:1-2. Read all.

Now read Mathew 3:10-11.

Israel was a natural branch that didn't bear fruit. Jeremiah 2:21. "Nor could it"

Also read Mathew 21:42-44. and John 15:1-7.

Now let's get back to our 2 groups.

You have the 1st group I mentioned that put themselves in bondage as did Israel and despising the truth.

believing in baptism outwardly but unbaptized inwardly.

EXAMPLE: Romans 2:25-29.

The 2nd group

Philippians 3:3.

Galatians 3:13.

John 8:36.

The outcome.

1John 2:3.

1 John 4:21.

This Love cannot be produced by self.

God bless.

Thank you so much for everything. It's very much appreciated. Have a prosperous & healthy new year. I don't celebrate anything pagan. However I do celebrate passover.

You're welcome.

God bless you and Happy New Year.

Watch Pastor Greg Laurie (Harvest Church) on YouTube. He's a good teacher; has an evangelistic view.

This is how you know:

Romans 10

9 That if thou shalt CONFESS with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt BELIEVE in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the MOUTH confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For WHOSOEVER shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

There is a link on the Red Link page, named

Become A Believer; that has everything we need to know to have Assurance that we are Born Again and our names are Written down in the Book of Life.

:) What a wonderful way to start the New Year!

My advise. Read in the Gospels about Jesus and learn what he is like and our future with Him.

I want to discuss with any Christian's preacher about the Jesus is God or a Prophet.

Hello Zakariyya. You're most welcome to raise discussion on the Deity of Jesus Christ and/or His Prophethood. You may like to start a new thread on this as the existing one concerns Water Baptism & any other discussion will get lost in this thread. As this is an open Forum, with clear guidelines for posting, you will get other views/answers to your enquiries or beliefs, given with respect & understanding to all. As well, we only use the Bible, God's Word to mankind, as our authority & don't appeal to any other religious book to form our beliefs. We will look forward to your input.

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

Genesis 1:1

The Father purposes

The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)

The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.

All working together. Jesus came to show us the Father, as Emmanuel.

Matthew 1:23

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God WITH US. [Jesus]

1 Corinthians 12:1-31 explains all the gifts, titled, administrations that God gives to the Church that Jesus has planted on earth Now.

Those that He calls, he anoints for the work. Luke 4:18. The Bible says the gifts and callings are without revocation. If we try to operate without the Holy Spirits anointing; we will not bear good fruit. Can even become apostate.

It's not something to treat carelessly. The Head of the Church is Jesus Christ. All parts of the Body are connected to Jesus.

Jesus is High Priest, sitting at the right hand of God the Father in heaven now. He ministered (on earth) in all offices of Prophet, Teacher, The Good Shepherd (pastor) and Evangelist.

An Apostle is one who has seen the risen Christ. And who operates in all 5 offices of ministry. All of Jesus's Disciples (except Judas Iscariot), became Apostles. Who are Church planters. I think missionaries most qualify as Apostles. (My opinion)

Most important church people: are the praise and worship leaders. "Enter His Courts with Praise."

Hello,

I may suggest reading Acts 2:38. Notice it says 'every one of you'. It doesn't say just 'some of you' or 'only if your mom or other family hasn't been baptized'. So, when I read the Bible and trust that its words are true, I am also believing in faith that when it says 'every one of you' that it means 'every one of you', including you and me. Jesus made baptism a big deal, so I think the least I can do if I'm serious about following Him is to obey and be baptized. Mark 16:16, John 3:5, Matthew 28:19

Perhaps another question is: are you a Christian? And if so why wouldn't you want to be baptized like Jesus said?

You might also check out the verses on this page: Link

God bless...

Amen! I have to come up with a little thing here now. Before I went into water baptism disease ravaged my body. It was like obsession, as soon as I approached the Word of God and Jesus and the Holy Spirit, I was crippled by asthma. And as soon as I turned my back I got well again !!!!. But in the end I was 39 years old I went in the water baptism and after that there was no obstacle and coming to Jesus. These are serious freers. And seriously!

I was a little afraid of being baptized in water. But something told me I had to try it. On the day of my baptism, I had bilateral pneumonia. But after the baptism in water, I actually started to get well right away!

So if there is anyone here who is constantly REMINDED and baptized but holds back defiantly, like a little infant. Then for your own sake you must learn and crawl to the CROSS. It may be that God has a greater service for you than the one you are in now.

Ill pray for u all who struggle with this. Because it's about doing something for the Lord. He who has done so MUCH for us. And if we talk about sex in this direction, we should be ashamed. If it should be. Then ladies can probably baptize each other on their own days and as I see it, no men need to see it at all.

Problem solved!

There should never be an obstacle in being baptized. Will anyone be responsible for that? And hold back God's will? Now then the grave of all water baptisms should always be open. Unless there is a river, or sea nearby and hot weather. Let everyone who wants to be baptized do it right away! Do not hold back. And we do not need swimsuits either, we can baptize in the clothes that each individual wants. White clothes are religious, the main thing is the water!

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

God bless u and a Happy New Year too u all, Love u in Christ

Amen, I agree with your points. We wrestle with the flesh and can even resist obeying God, whether that's pride, stubbornness, or another stronghold. Satan works in tiny increments, so a tiny resistance one day, might grow into a larger resistance another day, and can keep growing into total disobedience and even rejection of the faith. Just like sin is a slippery slope with the tinest little compromise justified for various false reasons, then another, and in time someone can end up in a place they never expected, because they were deceived and believed a lie. The same old tricks by the evil one. We're called to keep our armor of God on, and be on watch and on guard, and keep each other accountable and keep our faith and trust in God. God bless...

Thank you Adam for ur comment, & your reference for me to seek information.

Ty Adam. I have been watching a gospel channel that said I don't have to get baptized. I grew up Baptist Church & was very surprised to hear that. I never got baptized because I am a firm believer that if I was baptized and fell into sin that I would never be allowed in heaven. Now 57 & just so you know I have been to many churches to learn about the difference and have for most of my life had a very close & personal relationship with my Lord & Savior & I talk to GOD every day. I am needing to be baptized but don't attend church church anymore due to the hypocrisy of every church I've been to.

By the way, those who claim baptism doesn't mean water, but only spirit can read this which indicates both. John 3:5 I would say the way this verse is written "Unless..." [action] "...he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." it sounds kind of important. I don't know how anyone can read this and come to the conclusion that what Jesus said isn't important. And when Jesus keeps talking about baptism and water I think it's pretty clear what He's talking about. But while people may continue dismissing Jesus's words for whatever reason, most of us in our hearts knows what Jesus means. God bless. Mark 16:16

Hello, I personally believe the Bible message is simple that even a child can understand and know enough to follow Jesus. Beware of anyone trying to make it complex and try to reinterpret the original language or do anything to change what Jesus said. Generally there seems to be high motivation to find ways to disobey Jesus, rather than the same level of motivation to obey Jesus. We're in a spiritual war is all I can say. I know exactly what the Bible says when I read Acts 2:38 and those who disobey will be judged fairly by God. There's zero risk or downside to being baptized and only huge upside, but isn't it interesting how hard someone is willing to work to justify 'not' doing something.

May I address your assumption about sinning after being baptized. All are sinners Romans 3:23. After choosing to follow Christ we still are sinners, but as long as we follow Christ our sins will be forgiven by grace. Paul admitted his wrestling with the flesh if you wish to read about that. If we sin we should ask for forgiveness and be genuine- God knows our hearts. If someone intentionally sins to use grace as a hall pass to commit unlimited sin and wickedless, then I would not say that person isn't following Christ. John 14:15. Of course you'll find some people who claim they can do whatever they want, because their sins don't count and I believe that is a lie from the enemy. God hates sin and us obeying Him matters, regardless of what a man says to convince me otherwise.

Also, when you're baptized you're following Jesus's teaching, not a ritual to get into a particular church. So, if you want to be baptized you can ask church leaders in your area and I'm sure you'll find someone happy to baptize you even though you don't attend their church. I also have a hard time with church, because human beings are flawed beings whereever you go. I don't like seeing worldly culture infiltrating into a church, for example, in effort to please man, instead of trying to please God.

Ty for the information. My heart is in God every single second of every single day. Will be even the very day this earth body dies. I love all of this information from everyone on here. The church is on the tv & I've never asked them anything. They read chapter by chapter verse by verse every day continuously. They explain each verse as they go. I am aware of how ppl can change as they go persay. Or whatever they think is fine by them. That's how it is to be in these times. Also why I recheck EVERYTHING in my KJV Bible. We are in serious times today and the evil will most definitely be trying to get as many of GOD's children for himself. May GOD look into everyone's heart and find their truth. GOD bless you all. Ty