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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 177944

Bible Discussion Thread

 
  • Jesus to Peter - 3 years ago
    In Mathew 16 is a great record of jesus Christ talking to Peter or Cephas in regards to who he was and

    what he was going to build. Starting verse 13 who do men say that I am, then in verse 16 Peter as always was his up

    and down bold nature said thou art the Christ the son of the living God. Then Jesus said blessed art thou because

    flesh and blood has not shown you this, the same with us. Then verse 18 Thou art Peter which means a stone

    or pebble but talking about Himself upon this rock [petra large immovable rock or boulder]I will build my church

    ekklesia[that which is called out] and the gates of hell won't prevail against it. Showing that He was going to be

    head of the body of believers and the Chief cornerstone.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Jesus to Peter,

    Very well said! Matthew 16:18 is one of the great verses in the bible, and probably one of the most debated verse in the bible, so we'll just skip it. No, just kidding! I would like to give a little extra thought on what you mentioned. Jesus says thou art PETROS (referring to Peter), and upon this PETRA (referring to Himself), I will build my church. You have properly stated the meaning of PETROS and PETRA, one being a small stone (Peter), and the other being a massive stone or foundational slab (Christ).

    But here's something I find fascinating in this section of scripture. Where Jesus says thou art Peter, the word "this" in "upon this rock," that's what is called in Greek the Near Demonstrative. What that means is that Jesus was pointing to Himself when He said upon this rock.

    But something else I find interesting is that when Jesus said I will build my church, I see two things in the phrase "I will build my church." First of all, He says "I will build." And secondly, He says "My church." Did you catch that? It is the Lord's church. He is still the head of the church.

    But I also kind of regress for a moment, because notice that He says "I" will build my church. Some people think that this is our job to build the church. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but it is not our job!

    It says at the end of Chapter 2 in the book of Acts that the disciples (The new believers), they would get together and study the doctrine of the apostles, and pray and break bread together, and the (Lord added) to the church daily such as should be saved. It is His church. It is His work. He does it. We are the only the instruments.

    Again, amen to what you shared. I completely agree and just wanted to add some of my own thoughts on the subject.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Amen Brother Jesse!!

    The Lord does the gathering, He Does the pruning, And the Keeping!!

    God bless.
  • Faith works - In Reply - 3 years ago
    The part I like most is the gates of hell will not prevail .

    Jesus wins .
  • Jesus to Peter - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Jesse That's the reason why the church of pentecost could not have started in the gospels because Jesus Christ

    was not glorified yet and the holy spirit was not given yet and again He not any man is going to build His Church

    in like manner he will return to gather his body us Who believe the Gathering together. By the way nice additional

    details scripturally.
  • Gigi - In Reply - 3 years ago
    If Jesus is the same yesterday, today, tomorrow, he did not have to be glorified to be the head of the church. The disciples were with him for three plus years. He was leading them, His infant church. He also knew that the eternal plan was for Hom to return to heaven to be glorified and that the Holy Spirit would CONTINUE His work of growing the church.

    I just don't believe the church started at Pentecost. Scripture does not state that anywhere.

    The Holy Spirit always points us back to Jesus, the author and perfect or of or faith, not to Himself. His mission is to bring people to Jesus. Jesus is the focus of our faith, because in Him we can know what God is like in a way that makes human sense, since we are but crestures.

    Over-emphasizing the Holy Spirit is often done in charismatic circles, but I think that is misplaced "allegiance".

    We worship a Triune God who wants us to know Him through His Son, Jesus Christ by the power and work of the Holy Spirit.



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