Bible Discussion Thread

Rick I concur with you that we are justified and made righteous by the sacrifice of Jesus. And, like you said, we will not be made perfect until we are in heaven in our glorified bodies. Until then, we will sin as our sin nature is strong but the Holy Spirit in us is stronger, so over time we become more conformed to what Jesus is like as we continue to walk with Him.

I do not, however, see my body as junk, nor my mind, more my soul. These are what Jesus came to redeem from our sinful nature. Our bodies are not the sinful nature. So, the way God created us is good, yet now fallen. But in heaven we will have an incorruptible body, mind, and soul. We will be totally redeemed from sin in every part of us. So I do not speak of the natural part of me as negative. Sin has affected every part of us, but God loves us even in our fallen state and desires to set us all aright. The gnostics were a group that viewed what was physical about man as evil. That view was repudiated repeatedly. So, I just wanted to point that out to you as your statement seemed to reflect this gnostic viewpoint. But I think that you may mean something else, from what I know about you so far. We agree on more than we disagree about, and we keep each other on our toes when we seek more clarification or counter a point. It is all done in love. Bless You

Gigi I never stated we weren't redeemed as a matter of fact we are justified and sanctified asnd made righteous in Christ walking by the spirit but we still deal with a mind part of the natural body that has the ability to think about sin

and we don't try to commit broken fellowship or sin but until our gathering together its part of our walk of fighting

against the flesh i.e. o;d man nature.

Rick

In Romans 7 I believe Paul is referring to the "flesh" and "carnal" he us talking about the sinful nature. And this sinful nature affects all of our being as you said.

But in Romans 7:11-12

Says "But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through. The Spirit who dwells in you.

And 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 says: "Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you have been bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your Spirit, which

Are God's.

So, as a believer, our whole person has been changed, redeemed and the Spirit in us allows our body, mind, and soul to be honorable and sanctified. So because our bodies are God's temple, it is now holy, as is our mind and soul. The sinful nature still wars against our whole being, but the Spirit dwells in us and empowers us to put the sinful nature to death, not our bodies.

So, in light of these Scriptures, I cannot think of my physical body, mind or soul as evil or worthless because Jesus has redeemed all of me.

Gigi Also we have sin in the blood and the life of the flesh comes from the blood that's what the old man nature

fights, that's why we aren't changed instantly, the spirit did not give us a blood transfusion it gave us a spiritual

housecleaning and by changing our actions to Gods word which is our work we will become more like Christ I.E.

transformed by the renewed mind or putting on the mind of Christ.

Gigi Before we were born again my bible says we were dead useless in trespasses and sins without God and without

hope Ephesians not gnostics and I do know what they stated. The scripture says we have been made alive by the

spirit that is not to say that our bodies are worth nothing now but before born again all out works were useless was what I was saying. What do you think the scripture says in Romans 7 is about, the battle between the new spiritual man and

the natural man of the 5 senses that was run by the world which is run by whom? That's what Paul was explaining to the corinthians we are saved by grace are you going to go back and now do works of the flesh lie cheat steal etc. Those are actions of the flesh that the old man nature was geared to do. So prayerfully that explains it.

Rick,

I think it is important to distinguish the sinful nature from our physical nature/natiural man.

I do not believe that they are one and the same. However the sinful nature affects our physical/natural man in that it works against God's will in our physical/ natural man to cause us to sin. We put to death the sinful nature by the Spirit on us. We do not kill our bodies or blood. They have been redeemed. I do not believe that the sinful nature resides in our blood, as you said.

But, like our new spiritual nature we receive from the Spirit, it is an evil nature that resides in us from conception on. It was added to what God created in Adam when they sinned. Their sin provided Evil access to reside in our beings but it was not part of our original creation.

Salvation conquered this sinful nature in us. It was removed from us, but still tries to take hold of us again. That is why we put it to death constantly by the power of grace through the Holy Spirit.

This is an intriguing subject as I don't think we can really fully comprehend what the sinful nature is, but the Scripture is clear that it is separate from our physical/natural self (this includes our body/blood). But our natural man is fully affected by the sinful nature prior to salvation.