Bible Discussion Thread

Several issues that all come together as 1. I was raised in a Holy Roller environment, An environment that about everything you did was pretty much sinful, women wearing pants, people wearing jewelry, wedding bands a sin, A man with long hair will go to hell. This is only to name 3 or 4 of such I feel to be ignorant. But now these same Christians that practiced those laws and rules have now put on pants, wear jewelry, talk about their neighbors and about anything they so choose to do, and now think they are Children of God. My opinion. They were God's Children then and God's Children now but they sure brainwashed a lot of the youth even to a point they had the youth afraid to know God for they were doomed either way.

I have been married twice but is only 1 of those marriages legit by God's rules?OR Have I ever been married ever as because both women I married had been married and divorced before I met and married them, (Traditional marriages as known by man,) But were those marriages made by God? Should not a woman and man be given to each other by GOD, and not man for it to be a lawful marriage? A Lawful marriage unto God. I am not here to do as men think I should I am here to do as God said, Both women I married as we would surely know they were married before me SURLY they would not be virgins and already defiled. Have I really been married> By God's standards or am I committing an act of fornication or even some type of adultury? My idea is these marriages of mine were traditional marriages > MAN-MADE MARRIAGES and I do believe there is a scripture that speaks we are to be careful as to traditions. They can get us in trouble as to God's Laws. Again Is not God the only one that can give a man and woman to each other, By man's Laws I know I have been married twice BUT by Gods Laws have I ever been married at all (PERIOD) Really I am not trying to be funny I am being serious. Please be serious and not be presenting me with man's Laws.Let's stick to this Bibical

H J,

I'm sad to hear of you're very difficult situation all around. 1st let's start with GOD loves you. How wonderful it is when anyone seeks HIM & HIS truth. 1 John 4:19, John 3:15-16. Deuteronomy 4:29,

I have wondered about this subject & I ask: if a man/woman marries someone thst is divorced Matthew 19:9, then is that a marriage honorable to GOD ? Or is it sin, continued in?

Ezra 9,10, it appears only 2 people were against that decision. Ezra 10:15, some of them had children Ezra 10:44, Nehemiah 8:9, Nehemiah 13:23-31,

Is it sin, to continue in sin?

John 8:10

Is that what Jesus would say to you?

Following my previous comments as to marriage >Yes we can break a marriage, but we do not have a right to marry again EXCEPT > under the condition if one or the other passes away in death .. And that is what I am seeing in Gods word >NOT that Kings, Govoners and magistrates have the right to overrule Gods Laws that we can just keep remarrying >>>NOT EVEN ONCE EXCEPT only in the event of the mates' death ..AND ONLY ....... I do not know that you could ever make me see this any other way but with your help, I will listen and if God was to show me thru you I am not understanding this all correctly, I may buy that in time but not just because you say and understand it that way >I see it that you are very wrong. Kings and Governors can not override Jesus saying WE are to marry only once and ARE IN NO WAY TO MARRY AGAIN BUT ONLY BY THE MATES DEATH ..

I just want to add you might benefit greatly from watching some Greg Laurie videos on YouTube.

He went through a lot with a mother that married and divorced frequently; alcoholic. Greg talks about what his childhood was like.

We were young in the 80's with all the wild stuff in churches and how it hurt and confused Christians who wanted to live for God, the Bible way.

Greg and I both were involved in Street Ministry: me in Texas, NM, Oklahoma, and him in California. He's funny sometimes but an excellent Pastor now of Harvest Church. You'll like him.

JESUS'S TEACHING ON DIVORCE

Matthew 19

3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for Every cause?

4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, ( Genesis 2:23-24) that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the BEGINNING it was not so.

9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

[Wesley's Notes for Deuteronomy 24:1 Mosaic Law for Divorce]

Some uncleanness - Some hateful thing, some distemper of body or quality of mind not observed before marriage: or some light carriage, as this phrase commonly signifies, but not amounting to adultery. Let him write - This is not a command as some of the Jews understood it, nor an allowance and approbation, but merely a permission of that practice for prevention of greater mischiefs, and this only until the time of reformation, till the coming of the Messiah when things were to return to their first institution and purest condition.]

My best advise is to schedule a consult with your Pastor for prayer and conversation. If children are involved; they suffer emotional closeness issues later. I was divorced, raised the child alone; and never remarried in 39 years. I'm a widower now.

See if you can work things out and rediscover the love you once had.

Mishael

Have you ever read John chapter 4. This is the account where Jesus stops by a well and a Samaritan woman comes out to meet him. He asks her to give him a drink. Theres an exchange that takes place about the Samaritans having no dealings with the Jews then Jesus tells her of this living water. She asks if He's greater than their father Jacob. The story continues with Jesus asking her to go get her husband. She explains that she has no husband. Jesus says to her, "Thou hast well said, I have no husband: For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly. John 4:17-18.

So Jesus recognizes this womans previous marriages. Which means that every one counts.

As far as Gods laws for christians it says in Romans 13:1-2 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

1 Peter 2:13-15 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well. For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

Titus 3:1 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,

Now as far as I know, Mans laws that include marriage do not go against what marriage is in the new testament and even in Jesus' sight this woman has been married 5 times and now was living in fornication. Being with someone she's not married to. That being said, we can rightfully assume she obviously was not a virgin after the marriage to her first husband. So in your case you were legally married to two women, regardless of their former status. This holds weight in Gods sight.

OK, I may partially understand what you say. Does the word not it say in the New Testaments that we yes have a right as husband and wife, we see we are not compatible, we can't get along, we argue and bicker, we are miserable,we are so disgusting we make everyone around us miserable>It was said that yes we have the right to at last break the marriage, separate, get apart from each other YES we have that right BUT does that follow with words that yes we have that right to divorce>BUT we do not have the right to marry again and if we do we will be committing adultery and fornication? SO THEN,after the divorce as to man's Laws we have the right to marry again, And yes the Lord recognized the woman at the well had been married 5 times but he said >YOUR 1st husband is your husband, This mans Law that we can remarry as many times as we want to as long as there has been a legal divorced obtained , So the word says we can depart from our mate but we are in no wise to >MARRY AGAIN > BUT you are saying because God has put man in charge here on earth as to man's laws and because God has appointed Kings and Governors as bosses that as long as these men Kings and Governors says it is ok to divorce and remarry then capoosh just break The words of the Bible and go remarry as many times as we want because Kings and Governors tells us we can and we do not have to go by what the Bible says that yes we have the right to break up but not to marry again. This is a contradiction and no man has a right to overrule the Laws of God KINGS NOR GOVERNORS .. God nor Jesus has given no man the Power nor Authority to over rule what their Laws are, Yes Jesus knew the woman at the well had been married 5 times but he plainly said YOUR 1st husband is your husband. so then I take that as she only has 1 husband and has done what the Lord said to not do 4 times, or 5 if you want to consider the one she was having an affair with on the last . Jesus said YOUR 1ST HUSBAND IS YOUR HUSBAND.5 time adultress.

Obey those that have rule over you_meaning the leadership at the church you attend. They must give an account of you.

We obey God; concerning marriage and divorce.

If we behave as unbelievers, why even be a Christian?

If you want to know why the young people are out of control, it's because of what society dictates. Not God.

Revelation chapters 2 and 3. Concerning Jezebel- many good videos on youtube about her.

If we become one with the people we marry, or sleep around with: that is a lot of soul ties my friend.