Bible Discussion Thread

Genesis 9:24

"And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him."

What is it that Noah's younger son had done?

Hi Mishael, that post made me chuckle. My immediate answer to your question was "Ah, No!" maybe when I was a very young child I may have fell asleep that way. But there are most likely many who have fallen right asleep this way.

So, thanks for the levity. Noah's situation was serious enough for Noah to know about it upon awakening and to pronounce a curse on Canaan, his grandson. We do not know if Canaan had been born yet, but perhaps he was. We do not know how many years after the left the ark that this happened, either. Most likely, Noah already knew how to ferment grapes into wine from before the flood, among many other things he witnessed, practiced, and knew how to do.

Have a good evening.

Despite what everyone else says, Ham saw his dad, and laughed and pointed at Noah.

The other 2 brothers shielded their eyes and covered their Dads nakedness, and did not make fun like Ham did.

How many of us have enjoyed a shower after a hot, sticky, hard day of work (like building an Ark);

Laid down on the bed naked and fell asleep instantly? ANYONE??

Genesis 9:20-23 KJV

[20] And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: [21] And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. [22] And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. [23] And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.

Ham invaded his father's privacy just like when a child opens their parents door without knocking or introducing themselves . That is the wrong that Ham did. It's against Gods law for a child to uncover their parents nakedness even in the time of Noah, it was given to be written down by Moses, but during the time of Noah, this rule was already known.

im not saying this to condone or encourage drinking alcohol but this chapter 9 is proof that wine has always been wine. and not grape juice as many insist it was indeed alcaholic wine that noah got drunk on

Good afternoon Glenn,

I have read several theories about what happened, but the text does not say what exactly Ham did in tis event.

Some say, as you did, that Ham had relations with his mom as Noah was passed out and Canaan was conceived, referring to the many places in Scripture that talk about "uncovering a man's nakedness" referring to having relations with another man's wife.

Others have speculated that Ham did something sexual to Noah, or that Canaan did something of this sort to Noah.

Others have speculated that Ham, Canaan, or both castrated Noah and that is why Noah and his wife did not have more children for the next 300+ years.

But the common interpretation is that Ham, Canaan, or both discovered and viewed Noah naked, drunk and passed out and were disrespectful about it. Perhaps they pranked Noah in some way that would have been disgraceful to Noah.

But we really do not know for sure what was done. But Noah did know what was done upon waking. It does not say that Shem and Japheth told Noah about it. So, it must have been something that was noticeable upon waking.

His son had sexual relationship with his mother,.. Noah's wife,.. which also resulted her having a child ,..