Bible Discussion Thread

According to John 3:13 -

How did Abraham be live in heaven, Jesus relates to that no one had gone to heaven before him?

So all man before Christ does not go to Heaven :)

It is quite reasonable because God - the Real Father of the Christ - created a garden - the Eden ;)

And Father of Christ want to RE-new the whole Globe - So in revelation says about new Earth

so every man will be in that new Earth that links us to Exactly ISAIAH 45:18 where is about Earth,

that will be "inhabited".

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Let's start with this we will all be changed in a twinkling of an eye, then there is two type of bodies celestial and telesterial but then Jesus says, even the Son of man which is in heaven. He was right there alive speaking, So I'll let Jesus answer it verse 12If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? Even more so Jesus hadn't died yet so how did he ascend before he died. had Jesus come down before and returned and all other like Elija never ascend to heaven but were changed 1st, do we go to heaven when we die. faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of thing not seen, now we see through a glass, darkly, and we know in part but then I shall know even as I am known, I guess we'll have to wait to find everything out

Sixth day creation,.. all God's children have been going to either the right or left side of heaven,.. for a long time before Jesus got here ,.. we have knowledge of Jesus even going to that left side after the crucifix, an it's written that many followed him on over to the right side

Hello Jeremiah. This account that you refer to, begins at John 3:10, as Jesus continues His talk with Nicodemus. Jesus has just given him a very strange Word (or, concept): that this new spiritual re-birth from God has nothing to do with a physical re-birth. And so when Nicodemus enquires further, Jesus states, that as a master (i.e. teacher or doctor of the Law) in Israel, he should have understood & be conversant with such a Truth. He should have known of God's Spirit working upon & within many people (e.g. Numbers 27:18; Judges 3:9,10; 1 Samuel 10:9,10; Ezekiel 36:26-28; Isaiah 11:1-5); that the self-same Spirit Who could come upon people could also one day give them a new Spirit within them to worship God & live through His Power - a new life acceptable to God, even as God gave His Spirit to accomplish His Purposes in those of olden days.

Then Jesus continues to speak with Nicodemus; that what he is hearing now is coming from One Who knows & Who has seen the working of God's Spirit. And further (in John 3:13), Jesus says that there has been no one to have gone into Heaven to learn of these things & bring them to people, but only the One Who was always in Heaven & has come down from Heaven.

Jesus' Words here don't just speak of life after death, but specifically about those who did rise (whether in spirit or in the first resurrection), who did not return back to share this Truth about rebirth with them; people living now could not learn this Truth from anyone, but from the Son of Man Who is the Son of God, coming from God & bringing it to man. And Nicodemus should have understood at least a little of what Jesus was saying to him, because of his knowledge of the Scriptures.

And yes, true, there'll be a day when God will bring forth a new Earth, devoid of any stain of evil, where all of Heaven & Earth will reside ( Revelation 21:1-7), and all sinners (unrepentant, remaining enemies of God & the Cross of Christ), will only be found in the Lake of Fire (v8).

Jeremiah

All mankind going back through Noah to Adam knew a lot ore about God, His ways, heaven and other spiritual things because God communicate with these and other pre-post flood prophets lie Seth. Enoch, Jared, Noah, Shem, and Abraham.

However, most of what God said or revealed to them was not written down by Moses. These revelations were proclaimed to the people during those times. Yet, many people turns to idols instead of believing the oral transmission about God through thes godly patriarchs

Jesus said that Abraham saw the day when the Messiah would come and Rejoiced. John 8:56

And Ababam believed that God could raise Isaac from the dead if he slayed him. Hebrews 11:17-19

Abraham was a prophet and favored by God. I am sure that God shows up often and revealed things to him. Enoch walked with Gid and was witnessed going up to heaven without dying.

So, there is most likely a large amount of revelation God told Abraham and other patriarchs that God did not have Mose record in Genesis. These people's faith was not as primitive as most people seem to assume.