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16:1 I commend unto you Phebe - The bearer of this letter. A servant - The Greek word is a deaconness. Of the church in Cenchrea - In the apostolic age, some grave and pious women were appointed deaconnesses in every church. It was their office, not to teach publicly, but to visit the sick, the women in particular, and to minister to them both in their temporal and spiritual necessities. THIS IS THE WRONG STATEMENT.
There is no such thing about deaconness found and literally written in the King James Version Holy Bible Edition 1611 except only the Biblical word "deacon(s)" according to the scriptures of 1 Timothy 3:8-13 KJVS
[8] Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; [9] Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. [10] And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. [11] Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. [12] Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. [13] For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
The man is the head of the woman according to the scriptures of 1 Corinthians 11:3 KJVS
[3] But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Genesis 3:16 KJVS
[16] Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Ephesians 5:23-24 KJVS
[23] For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. [24] Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Hi Firmvictara69 in peace. False teaching. I know of many women who do service. Even virgins of both men and women. Most recently today it is mentioned in John 12:3 In Jesus Holy Name. Then Mary took a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odor of the ointment.
And in the verses afterwards, the one who was to betray Jesus growls.
So we know that the woman is not seen as highly placed in the Christian ranks. Also with the Taliban, and other groupies. Religious people are the worst thing on earth. I will mention to you something very serious. If the man does not have the ability to lead his family. Thees menn destroy the whole family as well.
John 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour. Amen
Here the Lord Jesus does not mention women but says. (any man).
Be blessed in His Holy Name Jesus Christ. Wich u a good day and hopefully u have this note in a book which is to yourself. It is not a sermon in any case.
I do think that women completed the works of devices mentioned in your posts over the centuries and still do in many churches. Perhaps the early church did not call them deaconesses formally, but the name was eventually given to women who do this type of service. In NT times and in many cultures it is inappropriate for a man to minister in such ways to women. It is doubtful a man would be a mid-wife or doula in NT times, but a women in a church fellowship would do such service. And it was unlikely in NT or in some cultures that a man would tend to a sick women or child, nor dress their wounds, bath them, nor cool and clean for a women taken to bed. So, women in the church took on these roles, and ministered to women and children as helpers and teachers.
I chuckle a bit when people throw up those Scriptures you quoted to denounce women serving in a church. I agree that we should follow the practices Paul spoke of concerning women, but there were prophetesses in the Bible. God gifts people as He chooses.
But when people quote Scriptures as you did it often seems to me that such a person wants to ensure that women "keep their proper place". So, I chuckle. Without "church ladies" most of the less flashy work of the church would not get done.
As believers we should appreciate the gifts and talents of all believers and be careful not to quench the work of the Spirit when it comes from a woman.
But perhaps this does not apply to you. So, if not. Just something to keep in mind.
16:1 I commend unto you Phebe - The bearer of this letter. A servant - The Greek word is a deaconness. Of the church in Cenchrea - In the apostolic age, some grave and pious women were appointed deaconnesses in every church. It was their office, not to teach publicly, but to visit the sick, the women in particular, and to minister to them both in their temporal and spiritual necessities. THIS IS THE WRONG STATEMENT.
There is no such thing about deaconness found and literally written in the King James Version Holy Bible Edition 1611 except only the Biblical word "deacon(s)" according to the scriptures of 1 Timothy 3:8-13 KJVS
[8] Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre; [9] Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience. [10] And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless. [11] Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. [12] Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. [13] For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
The man is the head of the woman according to the scriptures of 1 Corinthians 11:3 KJVS
[3] But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Genesis 3:16 KJVS
[16] Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Ephesians 5:23-24 KJVS
[23] For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. [24] Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
And in the verses afterwards, the one who was to betray Jesus growls.
So we know that the woman is not seen as highly placed in the Christian ranks. Also with the Taliban, and other groupies. Religious people are the worst thing on earth. I will mention to you something very serious. If the man does not have the ability to lead his family. Thees menn destroy the whole family as well.
John 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour. Amen
Here the Lord Jesus does not mention women but says. (any man).
Be blessed in His Holy Name Jesus Christ. Wich u a good day and hopefully u have this note in a book which is to yourself. It is not a sermon in any case.
I do think that women completed the works of devices mentioned in your posts over the centuries and still do in many churches. Perhaps the early church did not call them deaconesses formally, but the name was eventually given to women who do this type of service. In NT times and in many cultures it is inappropriate for a man to minister in such ways to women. It is doubtful a man would be a mid-wife or doula in NT times, but a women in a church fellowship would do such service. And it was unlikely in NT or in some cultures that a man would tend to a sick women or child, nor dress their wounds, bath them, nor cool and clean for a women taken to bed. So, women in the church took on these roles, and ministered to women and children as helpers and teachers.
I chuckle a bit when people throw up those Scriptures you quoted to denounce women serving in a church. I agree that we should follow the practices Paul spoke of concerning women, but there were prophetesses in the Bible. God gifts people as He chooses.
But when people quote Scriptures as you did it often seems to me that such a person wants to ensure that women "keep their proper place". So, I chuckle. Without "church ladies" most of the less flashy work of the church would not get done.
As believers we should appreciate the gifts and talents of all believers and be careful not to quench the work of the Spirit when it comes from a woman.
But perhaps this does not apply to you. So, if not. Just something to keep in mind.
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