Bible Discussion Thread

Question: Does "by His stripes ye are healed mean physically also"

This verse clearly has different interpretations. The simple answer is that eventually; with our new bodies in heaven we will be healed completely physically. Obviously; Christ did heal anyone He chose to during His earthly ministry as He had the Spirit without limit. In one sense; we would have to say that although healing from spiritual death comes upon a believer once he is "sealed with the Spirit" (Ephesians); we are as Romans indicates in a body of death; and only the Lord can rescue us from that totally when He comes. Until then; as Hebrews 9:27 states we are all to die once then face the judgment. (Exception for now with Enoch and Elijah). Healings today; therefore are debated as to whether they are genuine; and certainly if medically they can be proven don't stop the ultimate process of death (as Lazarus no doubt passed on at some point after being raised from the dead). Certainly there are benefits to having our spiritual house in order; as well as having a sound mind; and emotions through the controlling influence of the Holy Spirit. Our sins certainly directly or indirectly contribute to premature aging and destruction. A few cases seem genuine; but again there are some spontaneous healings which seem to occur among nonbelievers. As with any spiritual gifts; God gives it "severally" as Corinthians states; Paul said he would have us to seek all gifts; but even with tongues; he would prefer one clear statement rather than many words; and without interpretations this can be done in a disorderly way which was warned against. God uses who He will; and no one should also name a "healing" ministry after themselves; as though they are a mutually exclusive group who the Lord will use to perform such things. We should keep in mind Christ's eternal scar on His resurrected body that is unique on His hands and feet; as a reminder of what He endured for His own. Surely these will not hurt Him anymore; but shows our deliverance from death and hell.

Hello Richard, I love what you wrote concerning our existence in eternity with bodies that will never corrupt, die, or even be in need of healing. We will see the angels and heavenly creatures we could not even imagine nor have words to describe! But best of all, we will see God in the person of Jesus Christ our Lord! In Him the whole Godhead dwells bodily and yet the Godhead is everywhere present. Such an amazing mystery how that works!

I do have one thing I noticed about your post that caused me to pause and think. I wish to speak about it because I have read the same idea in many posts on this forum. You said that Jesus healed others because He had the spirit without measure. This is in that in Jesus the Godhead dwells bodily. But, even so, Jesus, Himself was God the Son, and so, I believe He was able to heal all he chose to heal simply because He was God in the flesh, and therefore had all the power and authority to do every miracle He did. We may be just talking semantics here, but I think it is important to speak of Jesus as both fully God and fully man. He did not need the Spirit to help Him do miracles, but that does not mean that the Spirit was not at work drawing people to Jesus to be healed or delivered from demonic. All three Persons of the Godhead work in harmony to accomplish the purposes of God because they are a unity as well as distinct persons. I 'm going to love heaven when we will be able to understand so much more about God and His workings and ways! He amazes me!

That is true perhaps as best illustrated when He did the miracle of wine into water when His time hadn't come yet. This may have been one time when He was given permission through His own authority and as a favor to those present to do this as this wasn't as a healing or salvation in later public ministry. Thar appears to be immediately after He was driven into the wilderness and fasted 40 days then tempted by Satan. That sacrifice of no longer having a set place to rest His head and traveling with Jerusalem the final destination at the cross was to come

Yes Richard,

And He calmed the storm and walked on water as well, which were miraculous, along with feeding the 5000 x two from a few fish and loaves of bread. Oh, and He transfigured before the disciples. Jesus did not release Himself from all of His divine powers in the incarnation, in my opinion. He could do miracles of His own power anytime, but He only did so in obedience to the will of the Father. But some people teach that He "emptied Himself of His divinity" in the incarnation. I do not believe that. Some people teach that he "emptied Himself of His divine power". I do not believe that either, because the divine essence cannot be divided, increased or decreased.

But I do believe that He subjected Himself to the Father in all things, being obedient even unto death. But the part of this that I do not quite understand is, since God is eternal and self-existence and cannot die, did only the human aspect of Jesus die on the cross? Did the divine aspect of Jesus die on the cross, also? If only the human aspect of Jesus died on the cross, what did the divine nature do when Jesus die? I guess I will need to study this more.

I love the way we discuss things and this prompts us to ask questions and dig for anwsers! I hope some will reply with ideas about these questions.

Have a lovely evening.

Yes,.. an more !!!

Hannah,

We also see this in 1 Peter 2:24. It says, "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree." And then there's a purpose clause: in order that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes you were healed.

This comes from Isaiah 53:5. Now my approach to interpreting scripture is that scripture interprets itself. So if someone comes to me and says, "You see, it says here in Isaiah 53:5 that He died on the cross not only for the forgiveness of our sins, but so that we can be healed of all of our sicknesses and all of our diseases."

My response would be "Really! That's what it means? Are you sure he wasn't talking about sin?" Because look what the next verse says ( 1 Peter 2:25) because it explains it. Verse 24 says says "By whose stripes you were healed," and then it says in Verse 25, "For you were as sheep going astray; (still in Isaiah 53), but now are returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

That's what we've been healed from. We were healed from going astray. And we've been returned. And it is interesting that the word returned is the word for conversion. When Jesus died on the cross, not only did He die for my sins, but so that my relationship with him would be healed. I would be brought back to the shepherd and bishop of my soul. And that's what it means. Peter interprets Isaiah 53 for us.

Hope this helps!

I believe that not only did Jesus pay for our sins in His Atonement, but that He was also beaten for our healing - by His Stripes. Matthew 8:16-17 He healed all that were sick and cast out all the devils with His Word as also stated in Acts 10:38

In Mark 9 the spirit could not be cast out because of their unbelief.

All things are possible with God. It is us that are limited by what we believe God would or would not do. If we are not ready to help in season or out of season then we would not be able to help when needed or if we have to go and fast for awhile.

Think about it - When was the Word of God not sufficient or faith in His Name not sufficient to accomplish the purpose to which it was sent. Jesus says speak the Word only and Believe!

Jesus was complete in everything! SOZO! Let's bring up our faith and our trust in Him to accomplish His word as we believe in Him!

Humbly, Let us also say with tears, Lord. I believe, help thou my unbelief!

Mark 9:24

May God bless us richly and may He bless you and your family Indeed!!!