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Who are the real archangels in the King James Holy Bible versions and where can i find them no offense i dont want angels that are catholic i know Michael and Gabriel is two but what are some more archangel who are wit God i dont want no false archangels i will ask my pastor and i will look up the angels you send me in the bible thanks and God Bless"
REEEEAAALLLLLLLY? You don't want "angels that are catholic"? This statement you complete and total ignorance of basic theology. So I will make this EASY for you.
Angels, which I personally do not believe exist, would have been created by El Elyon, the first god of the old testament and was THE god of the time before Moses. Moses' god is named 'Yahweh' or 'Yahaweh' depending on your preference.
Now, follow this simple concept. El Elyon would have created his angels BEFORE he created mankind, which is the accepted belief among everyone. ALL the religions of the world were created by MANKIND. God wouldn't have not needed a religion to teach himself, ABOUT himself. In the period when god would have created angels, no religions existed, there was only god. So why would god assign a religion to them? Angels would have first hand knowledge of god, right?
In conclusion it's like you hoped your car is a Cadillac is a time (--THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO--) when cars couldn't have possibly existed.
I understand what you are saying here about angels. They exist and God send them to help and protect us. They really are all around us who believe. But, I do not remember anywhere in the Scripture where it instructs believers to seek to see angels or even make contact with them. It is God who chooses whether we see them or encounter them as Abraham or others did. These giants of the faith did not seek to have an encounter with angels. God have angels visit them as He willed.
Like many things that involve the spiritual world, we should be cautious of encouraging anyone to seek an encounter with any beings except for God Himself.
The Bible clearly teaches that angels exist. They are a spiritual creation made by God. Gabriel visited Zachariah and Mary to announce the conceptions of John the Baptist and Jesus. Jacob saw a ladder connecting heaven and earth and saw angels ascending and descending upon it. Abraham was visited by angels repeatedly. Angels were seen at the gravesite of Jesus on the day of His Resurrection. Angels were seen in the heavens by the shepherds at Jesus's birth. Angels were seen at Jesus' ascension into heaven. And if you read the book of Revelation, it is full of angels, including Michael. I agree that the angels were created before humans but they are not all Jewish, as you stated, because Jews are part of the human race, and are angelic in any way. Angels do not have a religion.
But Scott, I think you have stated a grave error in saying there was one god-El Elyon prior to Moses and another Yahweh in the time of Moses and beyond. There is only One God. That is clearly stated in Scripture. Scripture gives Him many different names over the course of history. You named a few.
Is God a person that you can see? No. First of all, God is not a human like us and he's is forever sinless. When Christ returns to earth for the second time, Angels will take every faithful person to heaven. The Bible gives us proof that we will see Angels. Just because Angels can be seen, it doesn't mean Angels are a type of human race. When Jesus said that He came for Jews but they rejected Him, he gave other human races a chance to be saved. If Angels where to be Jewish then everyone would be Jewish and Angels would what...reject Him?
You are right that God is not human like us. Nor is He an angelic being. Both humans and angels are created by God. But God is uncreated and completely Spirit. He does not have a body or "parts" like us or animals. Angels have a spiritual body, but God does not have a spiritual body like the angels do. He is only Spirit and does not have a form or occupy a specific amount of space in heaven or earth. But people take up physical space on earth and angels have a form, so they take up space in the spiritual realm.
But, as the Bible reveals, God the son took on humanity and became a man-Jesus Christ, who was fully God and fully man in one Person in one body. He lived, died, rose again, and ascended to heaven bodily. His physical body was uncorrupted and upon His resurrection, His body was transformed into the type of body we will all have when we are resurrected. This body is physical as ours will be, but incorruptible. Jesus will always be fully God and fully man in one person in one body forever. When He comes back, He will come back bodily. In eternal live, we will see God in Jesus forever. So, God, who is eternal Spirit, added to Himself a human body to the Person of God the Son in order to save us. It is such a mystery. But in heaven, we will understand more fully and will be completely awed by the Person we see as God-Jesus Christ. The Father and the Holy Spirit do not have a body or form, (and Jesus did not either before He became man), but we will experience each person of the Godhead (Trinity)
in Jesus, as Jesus said that He and the Father are One.
The Bible proves that Angels are truly real. Not only does the Bible prove Angels are real but also that Angels can have over 8 wings. Ezekiel 1:21-27:
Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above. And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies.
And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings. And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.
And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.
Angels are the Supreme Creatures. They have lived a long time before you and me. And the angels have Nothing to do with the Jewish people.
40 years ago i had a neighbor who kept saying that the his angel had pushed on him again today. I dont belived this was true soo i laughed at him.
Today I no longer laugh. For today i KNOW THAT THE ANGELS EXIST.
I have experienced it so many times.
They exist and i can see them in the Spirit sometimes. So before you say anything more, you can pray in spirit and truth, get closer to the kingdom of God, even if you are on earth.
Sometimes it takes a long time to get into this state. It's not done in 2 minutes if u think that. Its the same with a pray. Sometimes u know u have a answer on a thing. And other times u know that "this one is a hard one". Do u give up then? No,we continue with the prayer until we feel peace over it right? This is about being endurance.
And do you know, dear friend, how many endurance and wise people there are? Not me either but i know they are many. Who sincerely thank the lives they have and pray incessantly for all people.
Start there you who want to see Angels. Pray in Spirit and truth in the shadow of Jesus Christ. He who Is King over everything and everyone. Remember Jesus said: John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Who are the real archangels in the King James Holy Bible versions and where can i find them no offense i dont want angels that are catholic i know Michael and Gabriel is two but what are some more archangel who are wit God i dont want no false archangels i will ask my pastor and i will look up the angels you send me in the bible thanks and God Bless"
REEEEAAALLLLLLLY? You don't want "angels that are catholic"? This statement you complete and total ignorance of basic theology. So I will make this EASY for you.
Angels, which I personally do not believe exist, would have been created by El Elyon, the first god of the old testament and was THE god of the time before Moses. Moses' god is named 'Yahweh' or 'Yahaweh' depending on your preference.
Now, follow this simple concept. El Elyon would have created his angels BEFORE he created mankind, which is the accepted belief among everyone. ALL the religions of the world were created by MANKIND. God wouldn't have not needed a religion to teach himself, ABOUT himself. In the period when god would have created angels, no religions existed, there was only god. So why would god assign a religion to them? Angels would have first hand knowledge of god, right?
In conclusion it's like you hoped your car is a Cadillac is a time (--THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO--) when cars couldn't have possibly existed.
Besides, everyone knows all angels are jewish!
I understand what you are saying here about angels. They exist and God send them to help and protect us. They really are all around us who believe. But, I do not remember anywhere in the Scripture where it instructs believers to seek to see angels or even make contact with them. It is God who chooses whether we see them or encounter them as Abraham or others did. These giants of the faith did not seek to have an encounter with angels. God have angels visit them as He willed.
Like many things that involve the spiritual world, we should be cautious of encouraging anyone to seek an encounter with any beings except for God Himself.
The Bible clearly teaches that angels exist. They are a spiritual creation made by God. Gabriel visited Zachariah and Mary to announce the conceptions of John the Baptist and Jesus. Jacob saw a ladder connecting heaven and earth and saw angels ascending and descending upon it. Abraham was visited by angels repeatedly. Angels were seen at the gravesite of Jesus on the day of His Resurrection. Angels were seen in the heavens by the shepherds at Jesus's birth. Angels were seen at Jesus' ascension into heaven. And if you read the book of Revelation, it is full of angels, including Michael. I agree that the angels were created before humans but they are not all Jewish, as you stated, because Jews are part of the human race, and are angelic in any way. Angels do not have a religion.
But Scott, I think you have stated a grave error in saying there was one god-El Elyon prior to Moses and another Yahweh in the time of Moses and beyond. There is only One God. That is clearly stated in Scripture. Scripture gives Him many different names over the course of history. You named a few.
You are right that God is not human like us. Nor is He an angelic being. Both humans and angels are created by God. But God is uncreated and completely Spirit. He does not have a body or "parts" like us or animals. Angels have a spiritual body, but God does not have a spiritual body like the angels do. He is only Spirit and does not have a form or occupy a specific amount of space in heaven or earth. But people take up physical space on earth and angels have a form, so they take up space in the spiritual realm.
But, as the Bible reveals, God the son took on humanity and became a man-Jesus Christ, who was fully God and fully man in one Person in one body. He lived, died, rose again, and ascended to heaven bodily. His physical body was uncorrupted and upon His resurrection, His body was transformed into the type of body we will all have when we are resurrected. This body is physical as ours will be, but incorruptible. Jesus will always be fully God and fully man in one person in one body forever. When He comes back, He will come back bodily. In eternal live, we will see God in Jesus forever. So, God, who is eternal Spirit, added to Himself a human body to the Person of God the Son in order to save us. It is such a mystery. But in heaven, we will understand more fully and will be completely awed by the Person we see as God-Jesus Christ. The Father and the Holy Spirit do not have a body or form, (and Jesus did not either before He became man), but we will experience each person of the Godhead (Trinity)
in Jesus, as Jesus said that He and the Father are One.
See John 14:7, 9-11 John 17:6-19
Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above. And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies.
And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings. And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.
And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.
40 years ago i had a neighbor who kept saying that the his angel had pushed on him again today. I dont belived this was true soo i laughed at him.
Today I no longer laugh. For today i KNOW THAT THE ANGELS EXIST.
I have experienced it so many times.
They exist and i can see them in the Spirit sometimes. So before you say anything more, you can pray in spirit and truth, get closer to the kingdom of God, even if you are on earth.
Sometimes it takes a long time to get into this state. It's not done in 2 minutes if u think that. Its the same with a pray. Sometimes u know u have a answer on a thing. And other times u know that "this one is a hard one". Do u give up then? No,we continue with the prayer until we feel peace over it right? This is about being endurance.
And do you know, dear friend, how many endurance and wise people there are? Not me either but i know they are many. Who sincerely thank the lives they have and pray incessantly for all people.
Start there you who want to see Angels. Pray in Spirit and truth in the shadow of Jesus Christ. He who Is King over everything and everyone. Remember Jesus said: John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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