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Adam and Eve we free to eat the fruit of every other tree but the one of the knowledge of good and evil. So it is most likely they ate from these other trees before they ate from the forbidden tree, We do not know which fruit they ate first.
Could what was done in the garden concerning Eve & Satan be how she took of the tree of good & bad? Some ppl believe Eve was impregnated by Satan & then she knew Adam. Thus Cain & Able being twins.
I had not caught that Cain and Able were twins. But after looking at Genesis 4:1-2,25 Moses (and the Holy Spirit) intentionally mentions that Adam knew his wife for both Cain and Seth, but not for Able.
Eve thought she had gotten (possessed) the promised seed of the woman from the Lord when she named Cain (meaning Spear, Possessed).
Moses (and the Holy Spirit) entirely leaves out any language about Able (meaning Breath) being the result of Adam knowing his wife or Eve conceiving. This language allows for Able to be Cain's natural twin, since there is no intervening event between their births. But more importantly it points to Able being a type of the seed of the woman born by the Spirit. That the seed of the woman is in view is confirmed when Eve bares her next son and names him Seth (meaning Appointed) and says "For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew."
Anyway, I just find it cool how intentionally Moses and the Holy Spirit use words and word patterns that break to convey information that is easily missed by anyone reading it superficially (including me prior to now).
I being a woman can validate something that I have learned about pregnancy. After first conception for aprox 72 more hrs her body still releases eggs during ovulation. So a window of second conception opportunity for 72 hours. Is it possible. Eve after receiving satans seed she laid with Adam & conceived his seed thus having twins. Because she continued in labor and had a second child. Both Cain & Abel both brought their first offerings to the alter at the same time, ( age)
This kind of speculation has no support in the text. As I have mentioned the text clearly states that Adam knew his wife and Eve conceived Cain, but it omits both of these facts in the case of Able. There is no language saying Satan knew Eve or that Eve conceived by Satan in the case of Cain and what is said logically excludes that possibility. Cain is definitely the product of natural impregnation by Adam and normal conception by Eve. Able, however isn't.
If anthing, the more logical conclusion is to say that Able is an identical twin of Cain, since in that situation literally there would have been no second impregnation by Adam nor would Eve have conceived a second time in order to bare Able. Instead God by the Holy Spirit mysteriously intervened by creating a division and second birth in what otherwise would have been a single individual. A creative act akin to the divisions in the first three days of creation. The idea that they are identical twins in outward appearance would also fit the fact that by outward appearance no one can distinguish those born of the flesh from those born of the spirit, only from their fruits. The difference between them would have been purely the work of the Spirit in dividing and separating Able from Cain to become the second birth.
If Satan is the father of Cain and Adam is the father of Able we quickly fall to heresy in multiple ways. It says that evil like Cains requires special actions by Satan that anyone can deny applies to themselves, rather than that Cain is humanity in its natural state after the fall by normal birth from Adam. It compounds that by implying that anyone naturally born of Adam is actually good like Able and in that state is fully capable of fulfilling God's requirements and perhaps even guaranteed to have the Spirit work in them unless they do a new evil. In effect they don't need Christ to save them, they can do it themselves. Both are heresies unsupported by the text the church rejected
Adam and Eve we free to eat the fruit of every other tree but the one of the knowledge of good and evil. So it is most likely they ate from these other trees before they ate from the forbidden tree, We do not know which fruit they ate first.
Eve thought she had gotten (possessed) the promised seed of the woman from the Lord when she named Cain (meaning Spear, Possessed).
Moses (and the Holy Spirit) entirely leaves out any language about Able (meaning Breath) being the result of Adam knowing his wife or Eve conceiving. This language allows for Able to be Cain's natural twin, since there is no intervening event between their births. But more importantly it points to Able being a type of the seed of the woman born by the Spirit. That the seed of the woman is in view is confirmed when Eve bares her next son and names him Seth (meaning Appointed) and says "For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew."
Anyway, I just find it cool how intentionally Moses and the Holy Spirit use words and word patterns that break to convey information that is easily missed by anyone reading it superficially (including me prior to now).
If anthing, the more logical conclusion is to say that Able is an identical twin of Cain, since in that situation literally there would have been no second impregnation by Adam nor would Eve have conceived a second time in order to bare Able. Instead God by the Holy Spirit mysteriously intervened by creating a division and second birth in what otherwise would have been a single individual. A creative act akin to the divisions in the first three days of creation. The idea that they are identical twins in outward appearance would also fit the fact that by outward appearance no one can distinguish those born of the flesh from those born of the spirit, only from their fruits. The difference between them would have been purely the work of the Spirit in dividing and separating Able from Cain to become the second birth.
If Satan is the father of Cain and Adam is the father of Able we quickly fall to heresy in multiple ways. It says that evil like Cains requires special actions by Satan that anyone can deny applies to themselves, rather than that Cain is humanity in its natural state after the fall by normal birth from Adam. It compounds that by implying that anyone naturally born of Adam is actually good like Able and in that state is fully capable of fulfilling God's requirements and perhaps even guaranteed to have the Spirit work in them unless they do a new evil. In effect they don't need Christ to save them, they can do it themselves. Both are heresies unsupported by the text the church rejected
The type of fruit is not given.
perhaps God didn't want the emphasis being on the fruit but rather it being on the deed and what the tree was called.
"the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,"
Genesis 2:17.
God bless.
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