Bible Discussion Thread

John 14.1

A no brainer that Jesus says God and he are two separate persons

Dear "Bob", The truth is that there are three witnesses in Heaven.

It is the Spirit, the Water and the Blood. Or so: The Father, the Word and the Spirit are equal with Jesus Christ.

1 John 5:6-11 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Amen

Be blessed in His Holy Name Jesus, love u in Christ.

Hi Bob.

Here's what's important.

Galatians 5:19-26. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, "VARIANCE," emulations, wrath, "STRIFE," seditions, heresies,

Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

God bless.

Sorta like when Jesus said my God my God why have you forsaken me? No mistake can be made here.

With affection and respect . When Jesus said those words he was quoting Psalm 22 . If you haven't read it please do and you will see that it depicts his crucifixion . I think he was quoting this Psalm to the Jews in order to try to make them see exactly who he is and that all this was long ago foretold about him . They should and probably did know that he was referencing this Psalm and maybe it would help them to recognise him and they would repent and be converted . That's what I think .

Actually Jesus was fulfilling prophecy , not quoting psalm 22 .

Good on finding psalm 22 it applies.

So he didn't say : my God why hast thou forsaken me ? That's what quoting is .

Do you know what prophecy is ?

So if I quote what you say does that make it prophecy? No

I'm not going to go around in circles with u or anyone on this sight . I was a bit snippy with u earlier and I was wrong to be so , i apologise for that and wish u well and may God continue to bless u .

That's true Bob. In His Humanity, Jesus was 'separate' from His Father: the Word of God made flesh ( John 1:14). In the flesh, Jesus faced all the temptations, pain & heartaches that we feel, even as you shared, He felt loneliness by the Father's aloofness at that important time - that is why it's written concerning His Humanity, "For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted" ( Hebrews 2:18). Jesus was perfect Man, doing His Father's Will & then to return to Heaven from whence He came. Even as He prayed, "O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." This little verse alone tells us a lot about Who this Jesus is before He came to give Himself for us.

I think a mistake would be assuming Jesus's temporary form as a human being was somehow His "only" form, because John 1:1 already said Jesus was God from the beginning. So, yes, as a man, Jesus had intentional limited power as a man. Fully God and man, but choosing to have the constraints and full experience of a man. Obviously His deity-aspect was revealed through miracles, wisdom, clairvoyance of future, and supernatural ability to know people's thoughts and heart, but He prayed to His father like any other man. He could have called 10,000 angels but didn't. Matthew 26:53. So He operated mostly within human constraints on purpose, including experiencing a full human death. God bless.