Bible Discussion Thread

Do you believe that this Babylon referred to in Rev. 18 is the United States/ New York ? It seems the only entity in the world that fits the description. Also it is not referred to in end times scenarios.

Yes. America is mystery Babylon of Revelation 17, and allies operate the Babylon system. America has become the antithesis of God's church, that sits on 7 continents. Israel has become perverted, the daughter of Babylon. Babylon is defeated by the beast, and the beast continues on 42 months.

The battle is referred to in 4 Biblical scenarios:

1) the king of the north vs the king of the south, Daniel 11:40

2) Esau vs Jacob, Obadiah 1

3) the beast vs Babylon, Revelation 17

4) the 6th trumpet beast army defeats the 5th trumpet US army to dust, Revelation 9

Then, there are scriptures that describe the cataclysmic attack on Babylon's two lands, two houses: Revelation 17 (set up), Joel 2:1-11 (missile description), Isaiah 13, Isaiah 21:1-9, Isaiah 47, Ezekiel 21:1-24, Ezekiel 38:1-17, Jeremiah 50, Jeremiah 51, Revelation 18, Luke 21:20-24 (Israel's fall in same hour Joel 3:1) and Isaiah 24 (aftermath).

Ezekiel 21:12 confirms that the attack is upon God's people. It will be 539 BC all over, again.

There are a number of books on the subject; although other than "The two Babylons" regarding the spiritual and economic ones; the names escape me at present. There are many scriptures in the O.T. particularly in Jeremiah that seem to indicate America indeed is being referred to. The land "divided by rivers" which has a mixture of people or a melting pot is indicated. It seems that people in the land were said to know the Lord; and yet the occult is something present simultaneously. Revelation itself seems to show that the fornication and great wealth was the history of Babylon; as well as a military might "the hammer of the earth". We currently have over 800 military bases worldwide; and the fact that we have suffered no direct war on our mainland except for the 911 event may make some think we are indestructible. But we have fomented pornography and violence through the internet to the world; as well as established occultic symbolism in Wash. D.C. with the design of the Pentagon; the Washington Monument and the street grid. NYC clearly is an economic hub and it appears that ever rising stocks in the last generation are vastly overdue for a fall. The whole world economic system is tied into our trade (i.e. stock exchange) which truly would wail at the downfall. There is; of course the one world religion planned for Abu Dhabi as well s a city 30 times bigger with drones than NYC. The Pope is behind this; as well as the Temple being rebuilt by Turkey; and Saudi Arabia. So there could be multiple locations; and worldwide ramifications wherever Babylon is. Our country is; however divided by rivers unlike those parts of the world we have MANY waters; and coastlines. Merchants of Tarshish (Spain); and the young lions thereof in the isles could be vague references to the USA as well having come from England.

Dear "Barbara Kuks", in peace we get to read the rest of the chapter and understand that this unfortunately no longer exists in our world. Horses and carriages, (forces and cars)? Have you read the whole chapter? Today there are many big cities. Are there really harpists, musicians, flute players and trumpet players, And the sound of millstones in NY? Would it be possible to hear these instruments through the noise of the city? And what kind of sorcery is there in the city? Which is not also found everywhere on earth today. This is not an end-time story for one city. Wake up now! The words speak to us all, repentance is necessary.

In verse 8 we can imagine the unrest coming. For here is the Lord God judging her. The unrest we can think about is atomic bombs. But then the whole earth will go, not just one city.

I pray for all of us that we will have revelation and the spirit of truth in our hearts. John 8:31-36 So that we can know the depth and height, the length and breadth of the whole Word of God. Ephesians 3:8 Which to me is alive and sharp, a somewhat double-edged sword. Hebrew 4:12-13

Be blessed dear ones, repent and be baptized in the Lord Jesus Christ and you and your house will be saved. Acts 16:31