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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 186315

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  • Kenneth arnold - 2 years ago
    Who were the 'watchers' ?
  • Roman - In Reply - 2 years ago
    The "watchers" are those who observe the tidings and know the times they live in, most notably in the end-times. Likewise, they'll tell others of the impending doom soon to befall their camp. Ezekiel 33:1-6 Then in the next verse, Ezekiel 33:7, how can it be that Ezekiel was made watchman over the house of Israel when the house of Israel was in Assyrian captivity for 117 years?

    7 So thou, O son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at my mouth, and warn them from me.
  • Mishael - In Reply - 2 years ago
    KJV Bible References=

    Jeremiah 4:16

    Make ye mention to the nations; behold, publish against Jerusalem, that watchers come from a far country, and give out their voice against the cities of Judah.

    Daniel 4:17

    This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.

    Watcher is a type of biblical angel. Watcher occurs in both plural and singular forms in the Book of Daniel, where reference is made to their holiness.

    The APOCRYPHA of Enoch refer to both good and bad Watchers, with a primary focus on the rebellious ones.

    "In the Book of Enoch, the watchers are angels dispatched to Earth to watch over the humans. They soon begin to LUST for human women and, at the prodding of their leader Samyaza, defect en masse to illicitly instruct humanity and procreate among them.

    They created Human/Angel Hybrids called the Nephilim. Fallen Ones - Watchers. They are real and they were wiped out by the Flood in Noah's time.

    They aren't mentioned anymore after the narrative that they created giants after lusting after women.

    If you go to the book of Enoch, they are imprisoned.
  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Kenneth. You may be referring to Daniel chapter 4, with verses 13, 17 & 23, specifically mentioning 'watcher'. In Hebrew, the word that applies to 'watcher' isn't clear: it means a 'wakeful one', but in context, it generally refers to a being from Heaven. And in Nebuchadnezzar's dream, in line with what he saw & understood, it would have been a 'being (or, beings) from the gods that had come down - but the meaning of dream eluded him.

    In Babylonian mythology, I learn that their god, Nergal, was regarded as 'manifesting himself in watching', so this dream would have been a descent & manifestation of this deity (according to his understanding). Of course, Daniel (Belteshazzar), in the interpretation of the dream, correctly applies this part of the dream to the True God Who has sent forth His Decree by the hand of an Angel (the watcher). Nebuchadnezzar needed to take note that not only would the dream, correctly interpreted by Daniel, come to pass, but it was the God of Heaven that was speaking to him & warning him. As per the dream, Nebuchadnezzar failed to acknowledge the greatness of his kingdom being given him by God, but rather took the glory for himself (v 30) & thus he suffered in humiliation & estrangement from his people. But in verses 34-37, Nebuchadnezzar returns to his senses & acknowledges the One God of Heaven.



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