Bible Discussion Thread

Who is the "her" reported in this biblical verse, above?

Phillip, the "HER" in Revelation 18 is Babylon (the world, carnality, falsehoods, deceptions), that all mankind is in the CAPTIVITY OF.

God commands that we, God's church (the called out) come out of HER (BABYLON)(the world, carnality, falsehoods, deceptions).

Revelation 18:2 And he (the ANGEL OF THE LORD, Christ, God's messenger of SPIRIT, the HOLY GHOST, THE WORD) cried mightly with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen (though Christ resurrection man is no long in captivity to Babylon (the world, carnality, falsehoods, deceptions), is fallen, and (Babylon)(the World) is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, (falsehoods, deceptions) and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Revelation 18:4 And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, Come out of HER (BABYLON, the world, carnality, falsehoods, deception), my people (God's church, the called out), that ye be not partakers of HER SINS, and that ye receive not of HER PLAQUES (the wages of sin is DEATH).

The gift of God (Christ in you, LIFE and TRUTH in you, the HOLY GHOST in you) is ETERNAL LIFE.

GBU

Dear Philip

Although there is a wide acceptance by christians in US that Babylon is America as i read in comments, over here most christians believe that Babylon represants EITHER the apostat church during the times of antichrist, that is the union of all cosmic churches and/or religions which they accept anything apart from the truth of the Word of God, anything that sounds nice to their ears, and possesses wealth and power and serve the plans of antichrist OR it refers to globalization, the universal political, economic, cultural ...system of the modern world we live in.

And please let me make an observation. If you think America has a faith problem you should come to Europe to see what atheism is really like. America still holds on in faith. Please keep doing the good work fellow christians.

GBU

There is no other interpretation possible other than that she is the Woman Who Rides the Beast, the Prostitute Church centered in the City of seven hills who should be the bride of Christ but is not. That's what Rev 17-18 is all about. She is responsible for the blood of the saints and ALL the abominations in the earth today. America - give me a break.

The 6th head of the beast morphed into the 7th head in 476AD when the 11th horn uprooted 3 others (Vandals, Ostrogoths and Heruli) and took control spiritually and used that power to rule all. The beast received a deadly wound in 1517 and set about destroying the Reformation using Gnosticism - humanism as implemented by Clement VII and Loyola. The RC Church became a Gnostic institution and set about making the rest of the world secular and humanistic. By 1730, Michelangelo Tambriorini, General of the Jesuits 1706-1730 "See, sir, from this chamber, I govern, not only to Paris, but to China; not only to China, but to all the world, without any one knowing how I do it". Charles Chiniquy 50 Years in the Church of Rome. Read F Tupper Saussy's book "Rulers of Evil". Only then will you understand why the world is like it is today with the revived 8th head. Of course, nobody wants to hear this, everyone has pet theories about some future Anti-Christ unaware that this theory came from a 1600 book by Jesuit Priest Ribera and picked up by cultists Irving and Darby.

I suspect the "her" of Revelation 18 is America, but could be referring to any nation or group who fancies themselves to be in God's favor but are not and, like the Church of Laodicea, are rich and increased with goods but lacking the filling of God's Spirit.

Rev 3

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Marke, the "her" in Revelation 18 is Babylon, the world's system of government (law written in stone), directly opposite God's government (law written in the heart).

WE are commanded to come out of BABYLON and live under the LAW OF THE SPIRIT.

Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her (Babylon, the world, carnality) my people (Christ church) that ye be not partakers of her (Babylon, carnality, worldly), and that ye receive not of her plagues.

GBU